On 20 Feb 2014, at 06:59, Russell Standish wrote:
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 08:53:23PM -0800, meekerdb wrote:
On 2/19/2014 8:44 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 08:06:31PM -0800, meekerdb wrote:
I think we're talking past one another. You're talking about
ontology as the ur-stuff that's really real. I'm talking about the
stuff that is assumed as fundamental in a theory.
Brent
Yes, to me an ontology is a statement about what's really real. The
ur-stuff, as you say.
I've never heard of ontology as something that any theory has.
That's how Quine uses it.
OK. But Quine is very naive on this. He does not doubt about
physicalism.
Physicalism makes UR stuff into primitive (have to be assumed) stuff.
I am close to Quine philosophy, but of course a long way from his
physicalism.
OK - yet another thing to clarify when I get around to the "MGA
revisited" paper, as the step 8 argument definitely refers to the
former meaning of ontology, and not the latter (Quine version).
This should be put in context, as MGA assumes things for a reductio ad
absurdum.
In the physicalist context I identify primitive matter with "matter
that we have to assume", or "matter which we assume to be non
derivable from simpler non material things, like "number relations and
self-reference".
Bruno
Sigh.
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