Nevertheless, it does seem to be. That is, 17 is a prime number regardless
of whether anyone knows it is, or even knows what numbers are, or indeed
whether anyone is even alive (e.g. it was prime in the first instants of
the big bang - maths has been used to work out what happened in the early
universe, with observable consequences now). There's a lot of hand waving
going on to deny this, but I haven't seen a knock down argument (or even a
suggestion of one) to indicate otherwise.


On 1 March 2014 18:16, Chris de Morsella <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> "If it's all math, then where does math come from?"
>
> >>Strange to say, elementary maths just appears to be a fact. That is, it
> is a fact that 1+1=2.
>
>
>
> Somehow I do not find that satisfying; in what way and by what evidence
> does this occur?
>
> Especially - as I had posited if math is the fundamental thing - even more
> fundamental than the emergent material universe. I could see this logic in
> a pre-existing universe replete with 10 to a very large number of atoms,
> but if math is to be the superstructure underlying everything then I -
> speaking for myself - am not satisfied by saying it just is a fact.
>
> Chris
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