On 03 Mar 2014, at 20:00, meekerdb wrote:

On 3/3/2014 10:57 AM, LizR wrote:
What is this "everything" which is "computational" ? Specifically, what does the processing, what stores the results? A computation needs states and a programme and input and output data. What are these, where are they stored? Also, a computation uses energy and (I think when erasing) raises entropy. Starting with something that is ill defined doesn't bode well for the rest of the theory.

You should ask these questions of Bruno.  ;-)

Unfortunately, Liz raised questions that I asked, and eventually got an answer by Edgar, but which were nonsensical proses. Like his answer to Liz right now.

In his "friendly" post, I just saw that his "theory", like the one by Craig, seems to be a reification of an 1p view. (a common thing with "Heracliteans).

But Craig's reification bears on the 1p, and Edgar 's seem to bear on the 1p-plural. Then, those reifications are accompanied by some ignorance of the theories involved, and a difficulty to assess the facts.

BTW, computations does not *need* energy. Only erasing information needs energy, *when implemented physically*, and we can build Turing universal system which never erase information, so we can build system computing anything, and never using more energy than the one needed to build the system and trigger its activity. But this will not help Edgar. Then computation per se does not need energy, as a computation is not a physical notion at the start.

Bruno




Brent

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