Chris, not to be disagreeable, but the tech either works or it does not, is either clean or its not, is abundant or it isn't, is affordable or it ain't. We need it all to work in a newtonian sense, or its useless. Fuel efficiency has been promoted by greens, as an ideological thing. It has its thermodynamic limit. It is like the hypercar of 25 years ago, promoted by Amory Lovin. Everything that wasn't kevlar, was aluminium. Everything that was not magnesium, was fibreglass, but was light. So light, that a passing 18 wheeler, driving in the next lane, would blow it off the road. Unsafe at any speed. Good on fuel though. No talking can replace physics.
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From: Chris de Morsella <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

       From: John Clark &lt;[email protected]&gt;
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On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Chris de Morsella &lt;[email protected]&gt; wrote:&gt; The biggest energy source we have available in fact is energy efficiency.


&gt;&gt;I am certainly in favor of energy efficiency, only a fool would not be, but it is not the solution to our energy problem because when a commodity like energy becomes cheaper people simply use more of it. If somebody invented a gadget that doubled the fuel efficiency of jetliners it would not cut in half the amount of fuel that airlines use because people would fly more often and airplanes would hold fewer people due to their larger more comfortable seats. 


That is a failure of the markets. If energy efficiency marginally lowers the rate of consumption of fossil (and other) energy resources thus increasing the available current supply -- because we almost exclusively rely on these short term market price signals to determine consumption/production -- demand will tend to rise. This is well known.... paradoxically in effect punishing virtue and rewarding a self centered I-don't-give-a-damn mentality of consuming every resource as fast as possible. Over the long term this will lead to our species discovering what the meaning of going over a cliff really is in the hardest of hard terms -- up to and including species extinction. Energy and all other non-renewable and critical resources should be taxed and taxed heavily -- IMO. This is the other side of encouraging conserving these critical and non-renewable resources. Take phosphate for example -- the world is running out of the economically recoverable sources -- mined principally from just three sources: in Morocco (land seized by Morocco actually) , Florida, and if I recall somewhere in Russia. There is no incentive to conserve this vital resource and global supplies seem to have already peaked. Phosphorous is a critical ingredient of fertilizers. Relying on market signals alone to determine how -- and at what pace -- finite resources are consumed is a recipe for disaster. The market will encourage us to burn through these resources as fast as we can, which is precisely what our species is doing. Not the wisest course of action though, and a clear example of how the market mechanism is sending our civilization over the cliff.



&gt;&gt;By the way, have you noticed that politicians are always urging us to conserve energy but they don't seem to find it necessary to command us to  conserve angular momentum?    


Is there any real point here; or is this a political rant freebie?
Chris

  John K Clark 


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