On 3/9/2014 7:00 PM, LizR wrote:
On 10 March 2014 14:54, meekerdb <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    So exactly how has MWI dealt with this?  Everett just sort of said it has 
to be that
    way, i.e. humans are like measuring instruments and so they make 
measurements which
    diagonalize their reduced density matrix (but not the whole density 
matrix).  But
    there's not really a theory of consciousness that tells us how it's like a 
measuring
    instrument AND, even if there were, there's not a theory that tells us why 
it's OK
    to diagonalize a part of the density matrix, but not all of it, in some 
basis we
    choose.   Note that this is a purely mathematical operation we choose to do 
- not
    some physical process. Omnes looks at the same mathematical process and 
says, once
    we've diagonalized the reduced density matrix we've predicted 
probabilities, and so
    we should be satisfied that one of them is realized and with the predicted 
frequency.


I was thinking of decoherence, which I seem to recall iirc was worked out maybe 15 years after Everett produced his thesis?

If so, this isn't anything specifically to do with consciousness as far as I know; I assume we should observe whichever part of the multiverse we're entangled, and that we're entangled with it due to the various quantum interactions that got that version of us there.

Decoherence is what I described above. It's tracing over the environment variables, having selected what counts as environment and what as instrument/observer, in order to get the reduced density matrix and then saying "Obviously we should measure/observe one of these diagonal values with the proportional probability." So when you get right down to how the math goes it's pretty close to choosing the Heisenberg cut - except you then say "and my other selves will measure/observe the other diagonal values" which soothes one's angst over randomness.

Brent

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