On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 14 Mar 2014, at 10:11, Kim Jones wrote: > > > On 14 Mar 2014, at 1:12 pm, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> wrote: > > Information must be made evident through sensory participation, or it is > nothing at all. > > > Craig, you have just explained to me the basis of my discalculia. No one > else has ever managed to do that in all my 57 years. > > Music was always instantaneously understandable to me because of the way > it gained my deep sensory participation whereas mathematics was always just > a bunch of squiggles on paper that to me were as dry as dust and as > terrifyingly remote as Egyptian hieroglyphs. Math evoked no sensuous > universe of qualia - for me. I have often felt that for those with a high > degree of numeracy, that the hieroglyphs of mathematics evoke the same > sensory participation as music does for me. Bruno, for example composes and > reads mathematical sentences with the same ease as I have in listening to > even quite complex music and writing it down from ear in standard music > notation. > > So one could play you some Ferneyhough, say Shadowtime, and you'd be able to score it on first listen? I know nobody that has an ear that good, but then every person makes me wrong every day anyway :-) > Not really. To be honest, it is work, a lot of work. > Read: musicians don't have to work much. That's often true with the best of us in monetary, career terms. Not always, mind you, but sometimes PR does play into these things. Wow, shocker there, huh? > And then I have just plugged in works made by people certainly more gifted > than me. > Here, the two professions are similar: steal what you can to make money (play beatles covers for weddings, maths for engineering etc.), or try to build your own stuff (very frightening, people will steal from you, hate you if you survive and find stuff, and nobody will understand ;-)) > For most mathematicians, it is a question of patient learning. There are > virtuoses,but most mathematicians can be quickly out, when going out of > their expertise. > There are very few genuine global-universalist in music if any. If there are, there is always doubt of mise-en-scene of appearance from some point of view. > > Gauss said that mathematics is simple, because everyone can understand, > and that's true, but to solve a known problem, you need complex > circumstantial event. Now, we know we are confronted to a ladder of very > complex problems, and even genius like Ramanujan couldn't solve the Riemann > hypothesis, which is just pi_1, the negation of a sigma_1 proposition. > > Doing math is simple, like swimming is simple, but then that does not mean > that crossing the ocean is simple, and in that sense, math is infinitely > difficult. > > Or impossible. In music, especially when you consider who is listening. If the listeners are full of insecurity and doubt, you know it will be hard money on that evening. Thankfully the opposite is also true; the good and the bad is you have to present your songs/results to people who have 0 relation to it. That gets quite real. Especially because everybody is the ultimate expert on music, while everybody fears math from school trauma. But still some try to take a universal shot and some even appear sincere like when stating: "I am not really crossing the global ocean musically... It only appears this way because I am doing x,y, forgetting z, etc." but then they usually miss a note, which often makes for better music than the consistency fetishist who misses no notes, but who's notes and playing become empty reductionism somehow. Beauty needs a bit of false mixed into its truth, to get all the irreducible good stuff like funny, melancholy, tastefulness, nuance, love hate, drama etc. Music and creative acts reflect somewhere the naive faith, that God/transcendental cause is not ugly; which might be vain, of course. But musicians are often a bit dissident on this; if God is ugly and truth just points to our vanity... then f*ck God and truth because for this dream we need 1000 vain musicians, with 1000 instruments, smoking 1000 herbs, playing 1000s of songs and thousands of people dancing and peopling, even if there are 7 billion too many of us idiots on this shoddy sphere in the dark. We get the truth in the wars, deaths, self-destruction etc. anyways... so no need to worry about not finding it. Truth is often brutish, impolite, not punctual etc. anyways... Overrated + bad for sexual appetite. But finding reflections of it, in which tunes, wearing which clothes, what style, mannerisms, your inner attitude, tits, and balls; how you meet your kobayashi maru, what ride you'll sport and the infinite redundant things, with all this going on, is enough... the musician bets this nonsense counts as much as truth. But not without a lot of precision, appropriacy, and great work. Guitar Ninja Laughter Style. PGC > > > > I sometimes refer to myself as a "mathemusician". > > > > :) > > There are many relations between math and music. Too much, so thats a > whole topic. I point often on the relation I do know, which is that > numbers, written in a base, already code melodies (cf musinum). > Then there is the pythagorean link between numbers and frequencies, which > relates wave theory and number theory. By that aspect QM seems more > pythagorean than computationalism, for which the universal number might > look like a dissonance. > For each part of of math, there might be a corresponding music. Both math > and music are large, there is something for any taste and sensibility, I > think. > > > Bruno > > > > I'll now watch the clip you posted! > > Kim > > > > > Kim Jones B. Mus. GDTL > > Email: [email protected] > [email protected] > Mobile: 0450 963 719 > Phone: 02 93894239 > Web: http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com > > > *"Never let your schooling get in the way of your education" - Mark Twain* > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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