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Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:02 PM
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Subject: Re: Quick video about materialism

 

 

 

On 14 March 2014 13:12, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH2QXQu-HGE

A brief, handy rebuttal to materialistic views of consciousness. I would go 
further, and say that information, even though it is immaterial in its 
conception, is still derived from the principles of object interaction. Even 
when forms and functions are divorced from any particular physical substance, 
they are still tethered to the third person omniscient view - artifacts of 
communication about rather appreciation of. Real experiences are not valued 
just because they inform us about something or other, they are valued because 
of their intrinsic aesthetic and semantic content. It’s not even content, it is 
the experience itself. Information must be made evident through sensory 
participation, or it is nothing at all.

The thing is, this happens in the brain as well. You look at something, neurons 
fire, and there is no obvious reason why that should result in a particular 
sensation rather than another, or any sensation at all. And yet it does. If 
it's magic, then why can't the same magic happen with the computer? If it isn't 
magic, but a natural effect, then why can't the same natural effect happen with 
the computer?

 

Furthermore, in experiment after experiment neural brain activity lights up in 
the expected areas clearly before the subject first “experiences” the unfolding 
moment. We exist within our minds in a model we make of the world. It begins 
with our senses, but rapidly involves our memories, our focus and other 
concurrent neural activities that can amplify or suppress sense data streams. 
Our self-aware being, only emerges within our experience after our brain has 
done the work to manufacture our meta “reality” – the reified model of our 
perception woven in to the web of our past experience and colored by our 
emotional state.

There is growing evidence that our consciousness, self-awareness, our 
experienced self-identity are all emergent phenomena within the mind that 
operates on and in our neuron packed brain (and now it seems glial cells the 
vast majority of electrically inactive cells in the brain play as yet poorly 
understood roles in memory formation amongst other things) We are the 
shimmering waves that dynamically paint the surface of the sea, emerging at the 
interface of water and air. We are emergent, but still incredibly beautiful, 
complex, poetic creatures (who in mass are also raping our planet at breakneck 
speed) The fact of our emergence does not diminish the value or depth of our 
experience.

Emergence seems to be the way of nature…. The universe emerges (seemingly from 
nothing), Stars and galaxies emerge and elements are forged in them emerging 
into our universe, enabling complex chemistry to emerge from simpler 
chemistry.. enabling auto-catalyzing self-replicating carbon chemistry (in our 
world at least)) to emerge.. and slowly for life itself to emerge.

Emergence and evolution. As life evolves emergent qualities begin to appear… 
the first multi-celled creatures… communism at the cellular level… and the 
first simple nervous systems… quickly sensory organs begin to emerge and 
patterns of adaptation and evolution become apparent.

Why should emergence just stop at self-awareness, the experience of that we 
call consciousness?

Brain activity precedes consciousness; it seems to me that we are the story 
being played out by our brains. Certainly we are actors as well (often 
prima-donnas lol), and I have no doubt that “I” influence my brain. But what if 
that is just my brain playing out the story – just one level deeper. Think 
about it and your brain has already beat you to it and supplied you with the 
answer you thought you thought. Our brain is always one step ahead of us.

Smells like emergence to me.

Chris de Morsella

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