It is the belief that the scentists can be trusted to do the research
they are supposed to do in a scientifically responsible way, vs. the
belief in the conspiracy theory that the entire scientific field has
been hijacked by ultra left wing environmental pressure groups.
Saibal
Citeren "Alberto G. Corona" <[email protected]>:
Threads like this have no relation with questions about what this list is
about: the ultimate reality.
Well...wait... Why questions like this are discussed here? My guess is that
yes, indeed. This is a question about the ultimate reality. GW is a
question of belief, about where we go, one of the most fundamental
questions after "where we come from" and "what we are".
And the people´s mind unconsciously and naturally direct these questions to
this list.
That is a bit irritating for me but at last it brings invaluable
information about what is my main interest: people and what they believe.
In my thesis about the religious instinct GW match perfectly with what is a
primitive religion. I mean primitive in the sense that it demand sacrifices
almost as expensive as the supposed benefits it brings. In this sense, the
structure of GW is close of the one of the Aztec religion: For the Aztecs
the world would end if there were no human sacrifices. The benefits were a
solid war machine in defense of the empire and security for the citizens.
This war machine and solid commitment of the people comes from the very
high price that people pay in their sacrifices. This is an investment in
the continuity of the society and culture. The investment works as follows:
if each citizen does not defend from disorder and the disorder break the
structure, his investment will dissipate into nothingness.
If two men fall in a island, to collaborate, one consciously but also
unconsciously demand sacrifices from the other in order to build trust.
That is the religious instinct. They end up having common goals about what
to do to be saved. If both agree to look for resources in the island, one
demand to the other some result, or the signs of effort in the task if it
has not been sucessful. Many tasks in a culture do not produce direct and
visible products. Then signs of pain and sacrifices are demanded in a group
to create mutual trust. These sacrifice becomes with time ritualized
presented, codified and shared in a formal religion.
GW is a religion in his infancy. It demand eco-sacrifices: slow down
industrialization of poor countries and so on. I would say that also demand
human sacrifices if we count the promotion of abortion and the forced
abortions in many third countries that the UN is promoting in the name of
the Mother Earth. The supposed benefits are a World Government of
enlightened people that will solve all our problems.
From the said about Aztecs, it is absolutely mandatory for the GW believers
that everyone without exception believe in GW. For this purpose GW must be
undisputable and "deniers" must be prosecuted. The world is warming? this
is because GW. The world stay the same? This is because GW. It is coling?
that is predicted by GW. Every country must implement anti-babe
anti-familly policies to stop population growth: feminism, homosexualism,
abortion, destroying the history of the western countries in order to
create supranational structures governed by enlightened people etc.
What is said for the individuals apply now for the countries. Third world
Countries that adopt the UN Agenda are strongly subsidized (Their elites,
i mean). That happens with China, for example with his one child policy.
The deniers are attacked by the propaganda. etc
This is not centralized conspiracy. It is religion. Once a idea is set in
the mind of some powerful people and they invest on it, the the rest of the
ideas and processes start to work and accommodate themselves for the common
goal. People do not conspire. People´s interests do with no much
intelligence neither effort. It is simply natural.
2014-04-02 5:49 GMT+02:00 Chris de Morsella <[email protected]>:
*From:* [email protected] [mailto:
[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *LizR
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 01, 2014 4:21 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: Climate models
On 2 April 2014 12:10, Chris de Morsella <[email protected]> wrote:
Why has LFTR development essentially stopped for forty years?
Apparently they can't be used to make bombs.
Sure there is that, and no doubt that was why - at the height of the cold
war to put it in context - LFTR was dropped. That explains the then, but it
does not explain the essentially complete absence of any LFTR R&D anywhere.
I've read more than most on LFTR, and as far as breeders go it seems to me
to be the way to go for a number of reasons, including that the fuel
re-processing can be accomplished chemically rather than needing to spin it
out by centrifuge as is needed for uranium (same element, different
isotopes). LFTR power stations could have onsite fuel re-processing and
thus contain these deadly materials in a relatively few well secured sites.
However even with LFTR you do still have a waste problem - as has been
pointed out. Much less of a problem than you do with single pass nuclear
power in use today, but a serious long term cost and potential risk - that
requires extremely long term mitigation, containment solutions. What is the
current day cost of that amortized future cost? What do we need to set
aside up front baked into the price that is charged, in order to adequately
fund a containment project with a duration measured in millennia.
But beyond all of this, there is the problem of logistics in the current
and moving forward increasingly stark reality of fossil energy depletion,
which is breathing down the worlds neck despite what folks like John would
have us believe. The production collapse of Cantarell (one of the largest
oil fields ever discovered) in just a few short years should be an eye
opener to anyone with eyes. Ghawar the biggest field ever discovered has
also peaked and is now being squeezed - just like Cantarell with steam
injection and other tertiary recovery techniques. Now on to Shale Oil - it
is a mirage. The oil majors have all discovered this harsh lesson - at
great cost to their shareholders, and they are all heading for the exit
trying to offload their unconventional oil holdings. Perhaps the major oil
companies in the world know something that John Clark has not been made
privy to (or that he willfully ignores), but a massive collapse in capital
expenditure is now underway in the shale oil and shale gas sectors. Why,
why are all the insiders stumbling over each other on their rush to get out
of their shale plays. Could it be because after burning huge sums of
capital -- some of the Majors like Shell dropped more than forty or fifty
billion dollars (I forget which) - they are discovering that the reality of
Shale is that it has very low rates of marginal return and is a capital
expenditure sinkhole. They are also discovering that fracked wells (for
both gas & the oil like kerogen) begin to reseal after just a few years,
and need to be re-fracked (a significant cost in both energy, water and
money). The insiders know this. Just follow the money, the sharp dry up of
new capital speaks volumes. Fracked fields also have shorter periods of
peak production and begin entering depletion sooner than traditional oil &
gas fields. Furthermore when these formations do go into depletion their
rates of depletion are higher than those of traditional oil & gas fields.
This is a key factor, because the initial rush of hundreds of billions of
dollars of capital into the fracked shale (both gas & oil) plays was
justified using well production assumptions drawn from statistics gathered
for traditional oil and gas fields.
For example the typical decline curve for Bakken shale oil wells (it is
the biggest shale play) is a decline of 69% in the 1rst year; 39% - 2nd;
26% - 3rd; 27% - 4rth; 33% - 5th. After just five years the fracked well
produces 1/20th its rate when first fracked. Numbers like these are what is
driving the capital flight from this sector.
Now back to LFTR - keeping this context of collapsing marginal supply of
energy clearly in mind. How does the entire LFTR logistical chain from
mine; to refine; to power; to repository ever get built. It could have been
built even ten years ago perhaps, but now the era of energy scarcity is
about to hit.
Accept for a moment the most widely stated (perhaps optimistic) figure I
have heard of... that oil has entered an era of 5% depletion rates. Compound
that decline for ten years and try to imagine the word working on the much
smaller rate of energy production that remains. In a regime of shrinking
energy supplies the GDP will also shrink. A shrinking GDP is also known as
a depression.
Only the government could ever assemble the needed capital and resources,
but the government will be stretched thin as well and more concerned with
the next energy war than LFTR.
There is no LFTR, nothing, except a few back of the napkin ideas. It takes
rivers of billions of dollars to build a large scale energy infrastructure,
and I have to ask where is all that going to come from when everyone will
be belt tightening?
Chris
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