John, your friend's position sounds almost like Pascal's wager: personally I think its a poor reason to believe, if it can at all be considered belief. I know it would be 'the smart thing to do', 'playing it safe', etc, but I think faith and belief require a major mental investment: its requires an innermost conviction based upon all a person can draw upon. Choosing to be agnostic is also a personal decision... after all there is no compulsion in religion! Samiya
--------- Samiya Illias, you took up an honorable position and will be rewarded for it in the afterlife - "if there is an afterlife". A friend (almost reaching the title of Catholic Priest) said in a similar discussion: It means so little mental investment to BELIVE and the reward is so great (eternal bliss) that it wood be foolish not to go it's way. Unfortunately the list-arguments in this topic are very questionable: is the Script falsifiable by science? Well, science is DOUBT in everything until proven - by what? by science, of course. Which is unsure. So I would not ask for justification (or rejection) by science: an unsure basis. I would ask my agnosticism: where did God come from? (I mean: the idea and the concept (call it: 'Person'?) itself). A Pre-World with a 'Pre-God'? or is the same God and why must the believers believe? Why must they adore and praise a God who is in much higher standing than anything 'natural'? Why is an offense by a lowly mortal punishable eternally (in Hell?) and btw: who made Hell, and it's inhabitants? How did Inuits follow God's rules in a climate so different from the Sunny desert? Is their disobedience punished? Who are the "slaves" of the Scripture today? How should one handle the differences between the three consecutive Scripts in a changing world? It is good to be agnostic and keep away from such questions. Peace! John M On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 3:18 AM, John Mikes <[email protected]> wrote: > Samiya Illias, > you took up an honorable position and will be rewarded for it in the > afterlife - "if there is an afterlife". > A friend (almost reaching the title of Catholic Priest) said in a similar > discussion: It means so little mental investment to BELIVE and the reward > is so great (eternal bliss) that it wood be foolish not to go it's way. > Unfortunately the list-arguments in this topic are very questionable: is > the Script falsifiable by science? Well, science is DOUBT in everything > until proven - by what? by science, of course. Which is unsure. So I would > not ask for justification (or rejection) by science: an unsure basis. I > would ask my agnosticism: where did God come from? (I mean: the idea and > the concept (call it: 'Person'?) itself). A Pre-World with a 'Pre-God'? or > is the same God and why must the believers believe? Why must they adore and > praise a God who is in much higher standing than anything 'natural'? Why is > an offense by a lowly mortal punishable eternally (in Hell?) and btw: who > made Hell, and it's inhabitants? How did Inuits follow God's rules in a > climate so different from the Sunny desert? Is their disobedience punished? > Who are the "slaves" of the Scripture today? How should one handle the > differences between the three consecutive Scripts in a changing world? > It is good to be agnostic and keep away from such questions. > > Peace! > John M > > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:55 PM, Samiya Illias <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Qur'an Chapter 5, Verse 31: Then Allah sent a raven scratching up the >> ground, to show him how to hide his brother's naked corpse. He said: Woe >> unto me! Am I not able to be as this raven and so hide my brother's naked >> corpse? And he became repentant. (Translator: Pickthal) >> http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=5&translator=4#31 >> >> Samiya >> >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:17 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/06/060606-crows_2.html >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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