On 07 Apr 2014, at 00:18, John Mikes wrote:
Samiya Illias,
you took up an honorable position and will be rewarded for it in the
afterlife - "if there is an afterlife".
Well, let us hope, but this assumes not just that there is an
afterlife, but a rewarding sort of abramanic God.
A friend (almost reaching the title of Catholic Priest) said in a
similar discussion: It means so little mental investment to BELIVE
and the reward is so great (eternal bliss) that it wood be foolish
not to go it's way.
But he begs the question. May be God exists and is a sadistic fellow,
sending the believer in hell.
Unfortunately the list-arguments in this topic are very
questionable: is the Script falsifiable by science? Well, science is
DOUBT in everything until proven - by what? by science, of course.
Which is unsure. So I would not ask for justification (or rejection)
by science: an unsure basis.
But science never justify anything. Science never proves anything on
reality. It proves things *in* the frame of a theory/hypotheses, that
is "belief" (temporary beliefs, assumption-interpretation). Science
never leaves the doubt, and always add doubts.
I would ask my agnosticism: where did God come from? (I mean: the
idea and the concept (call it: 'Person'?) itself). A Pre-World with
a 'Pre-God'? or is the same God and why must the believers believe?
Why must they adore and praise a God who is in much higher standing
than anything 'natural'? Why is an offense by a lowly mortal
punishable eternally (in Hell?) and btw: who made Hell, and it's
inhabitants? How did Inuits follow God's rules in a climate so
different from the Sunny desert? Is their disobedience punished? Who
are the "slaves" of the Scripture today? How should one handle the
differences between the three consecutive Scripts in a changing world?
It is good to be agnostic and keep away from such questions.
In the matter of religion, simple science, if not simple conscience,
invites us to be skeptical on any use of "authority" and texts,
especially the authoritative use. If a text triggers some personal
inspiration, why not, but literalism should be avoided. Of course most
Church would not like this, but they are instrument of power, not of
religion. People today use religion for an identity purpose, which
makes the religion nonsensical. The mystics and honest researcher
knows that it is more a question of personal experience, and abandon
of identity, than anything that we could write in a text. I think that
some actual (yet abstract) machines might already grasp this.
Bruno
Peace!
John M
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:55 PM, Samiya Illias
<[email protected]> wrote:
Qur'an Chapter 5, Verse 31: Then Allah sent a raven scratching up
the ground, to show him how to hide his brother's naked corpse. He
said: Woe unto me! Am I not able to be as this raven and so hide my
brother's naked corpse? And he became repentant. (Translator:
Pickthal)
http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=5&translator=4#31
Samiya
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:17 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/06/060606-crows_2.html
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