On 02 May 2014, at 05:35, Samiya Illias wrote:
Evolution and Creationism are generally considered to be opposing
world views. This article attempts to prove from Scripture the
existence of humans pre-dating Adam, thereby showing that evolution
is not opposed to creationism, rather it is one of the methods of
creation:
http://can-you-answer.com/scripts/miscArticles.asp?artno=92
He wrote "I will welcome any objection, I will reply with great
efforts or accept defeat with full grace." .
That is very nice, but he does not give the comment ability on the
page. So ....
Then he uses the Quran as a literal apparently authoritative source.
Only that is "not playing the fair rule" for that type of argument.
perhaps he makes clear on some other page, but for a cold outsider
logician, that begs many questions.
I don't know Samiya. I tend to believe that we are locally colony of
cells, and that each cells is itself an older colony of bacteria, and
that those cells are type of colony of molecules, going through some
improving self-stabilizing chemical reaction.
The bible 'Genesis is a wonderful tale, and it might taught us
something, but I don't believe in any literal meaning of it.
Evolution is not just random mutation and selection, it is an
iteration of simple transformations, and that has mathematical shape
(referring to some arithmetical (at least) truth. Evolution is guided
by mathematical structure like the mandelbrot set, where you can find
basically all natural shapes, from the thunder to fetuses, from river
to brains, from forest to cities, and this surrounding itself
everywhere 2 times, 4 times, 8 times, 16 times, ... (that might help
for the measure problem in case the rational m set is a compact Turing
complete set).
I am afraid that your conception of God might be too much human and
cultural, earthly provincial, I would say, with respect of the
possible absolute whole.
I understand the comfort for the humans in that type of thought, but
to get light on the mind body problem, even with the "comp
assumption", we have to be open for something which might be much more
big, and much more deep.
It may be that the comp God "dislikes", eventually, those creatures
who *assert publicly* that God prefers them to other creatures.
You might have some experiences which can give that felling, but the
more that experience is genuine, the less you invoke it, and the more
you are cautious with respect to more and more creatures and type of
creatures, I think. In fact you get even more skeptical on the very
sense of "you", and a fortiori of God.
Sacred texts can be useful, but only as far as you can see the meaning
behind the poetry, and can abandon them when progressing on your path.
If not they became soon or later an obstacle.
if you compare with machine's theology, we can say that Sufi, Kabbala
and the mystic christians are less wrong, less influenced by
maimonides' emphasis on the Aristotelian conception. That emphasis was
useful for the development of science, but still "wrong" at the
fundamental level. The sufi people, and the kabbalist have not cut the
link with Platonism and the mystic message. In that direction, things
like clay are but theologically irrelevant dreamy local implementation
details.
In the west, we are wrong on this plato/aristotle branching since the
6th century. In the middle-east, we are wrong on it since the 11th
century, and in the far east, I don't know, but many doctrines are
"comp-theologically coherent".
By "wrong", I always mean "making a big shift from what is more
coherent with the comp assumption".
Bruno
"A screw has the nature of buddha" Zen and the Art of Motorcycle
Maintenance" (Robert M. Pirsig)
Samiya
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