On Fri, May 2, 2014  Samiya Illias <[email protected]> wrote:

> John asks: Name one scientific fact in the Bible or the Koran that you
> wouldn't expect members of a Bronze Age tribe in 1500BC to know.
>
>    1. More than one stomach in a honey bee's body
>    2. Description of human embryo which can only be studied with a
>    microscope
>    3. Sex of the baby determined by the father's semen
>    4. Lying is associated with the frontal brain
>    5. Shape of the Eart
>    6. Worker honey bees who collect food are females
>    7. h is ovoid
>    8. Iron is not indigenous to Earth
>    9. Time is relative
>
> You can explore these and more topics on the following links:
>
http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/

http://www.4islam.com/amazingquran.shtml

I have no way to refute these claims point by point because only a few
vague scriptural quotes are given, such as  "there emerges from their
{bees] bellies a drink", and "leech-like clot". Perhaps these quotes
impress you, they don't me. It's pretty clear what's going on, whenever
science discovered one of the above facts scholars then scrutinize the word
salad that is the Koran and said "oh yes the Koran predicted that" , but
the funny thing is nobody made that interpretation until AFTER science made
the discovery. Just 20 years ago few scientists believed that Dark Matter
existed and NOBODY thought Dark Energy did, and of course no religious
scholar did either. Today things are very different, virtually all
scientists think that Dark Matter and Dark Energy both exist I have no
doubt that somebody somewhere has has found some silly quotation and
claimed that the Koran has predicted the existence of those things too.

Although they know they exist science still doesn't know what Dark Matter
or Dark Energy are, but someday it will and just one day after it does
somebody will claim that the Koran foretold what those things were too; it
would be a bit more helpful if some student of the Koran would tell us NOW
what these things are, but that may be asking too much because predicting
is hard, especially the future. Predictions are much easier to make AFTER
the event.

> John asks: And why do both books give so much moral advice that today we
> can only describe as evil?  Why is the God of the Bible such a moral
> imbecile?
>

   1. The scriptures need to be studied with reference to context.

In what context would it be moral to force somebody to eat their children
and their friends?

>     > 2 The scriptures have suffered alterations,

So whatever the past virtues the scriptures may or may not have contained
today we can find better moral advice by examining a sack full of dead rats
than in examining scripture.

>   >  3 Only the arabic text of the Quran has not suffered changes,

Mohamed was illiterate and never wrote anything, he dictated. And the Quran
as it exists today didn't come into being until long after Mohamed died and
other bipeds of the genus Homo and the species sapiens decided what to
include in that book and what to exclude, such as the Satanic Verses. And
if Arabic is better at transmitting ideas than other languages why is it
that the Arabs have not advanced Science in the last 700 years?

> I find the moral advice in the Quran to be based upon beautiful moral
principles.

On nearly every page of the Quran you can find moral advice on how to kill
unbelievers as slowly and painfully as possible.

 > God is loving, kind and compassionat

Morally God as described in the Quran is indistinguishable from Satan as
described in the Quran. And the Bible is no better.

  John K Clark

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