On 05 May 2014, at 00:25, LizR wrote:

PS did I get that right about the queen being fed special stuff? My knowledge is also badly informed on many things...)


On 5 May 2014 10:24, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:
Yes, good point. It seems likely to me that people would notice that there was a queen bee who laid all the eggs, and perhaps make some assumptions based on that. If they noticed that the queen started as a normal worker but was fed special stuff to make her into the queen... well, people weren't stupid in those days! (Just badly informed on many matters)..

In the interests of full disclosure, I should also quote the Bible.

Proverbs, Chapter 6, verse 6: "Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise".

Worker ants are indeed female... and they too have queens... but as you say Samiya needs to show that this couldn't be ascertained, or reasonably assumed, by ancient people before he makes any claims about it being provided by divine inspiration (which I assume is his aim).



That was a good point Liz. It illustrates how very complex is the interpretation of prose and poetry, and how easy we might draw invalid conclusions. It is nice of you trying to help Samiya in that regard. We will see if she is able to abandon *that* argument, or if she biased in favor of a "theory".

The existence, for a period, of muslim neoplatonism suggests to me that the Quran is agnostic on the main conceptual divide between reality conceptions (Plato or Aristotle). Not so for the bible, which seems to take for granted both a creator and a creation, and very few mystics, even among Christians, refer to it.

Bruno







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