On 07 May 2014, at 12:22, LizR wrote:
In New Zealand the government just made "legal highs" illegal, so I
agree with you, they're just creating a black market for political
reasons.
No. Not for political reasons. for un-political reasons. But also from
ignorance, brainwashing.
It is a problem with the liar and people saying *systematically* bs.
You never know if they are sincere or not.
My point was that where do you get cops from if everything is run no
a free market basis?
I think that we might have a problem of vocabulary. To me, capitalism
is orthogonal with the state.
Capitalism is not "everything is run on a free market basis". Well,
actually that expression is ambiguous, like often with word like
"everything", and "free". Free markets are as free as free-will :)
What I would like, perhaps, is a separation between the state and
*all* "churches", including *Money*, especially that one.
Maybe we should vote for programs and/or ideas, and not for humans.
Maybe we should abandon the idea of political carrier, and give the
implementation to people selected randomly each year, with a notion of
social service.
But I am not sure. I do believe in most political structure today, and
may be the US should just obey its own constitution.
Working capitalism is the inverse of the ponzy scheme, but once
bandits (people lying for special interest) take power, the society
develops a big ponzy. It is an equivalent of cancer at the social
level. Ironicaly, the cancer industry is the most acute example. Not
just by the hiding of cannabis as a cure possible, but by the way they
fight also against antineoplaston, using fake experiments, propaganda,
defamation, and again the confusion between "p->q" and "q->p", all the
time.
I am not saying those can cure, but that the patient should have the
choice. Better to be cured by a con doctor with a placebo, than killed
by a diplom doctor with a genuine and fatal medication.
Religion, health, money, and perhaps even politic someday, have to be
separated from the state. Cops and army should protect us from those
who try to mix those things with the state.
I am all for laws and regulations. Free market is what you get, but
lost really, when you prohibit something for which there is a demand.
Today, the problem is big because banks and the whole economy rely for
a non negligible part on black markets. By a lack of vigilance, we
have put bandits into power.
Bruno
On 7 May 2014 22:07, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
On 07 May 2014, at 00:38, LizR wrote:
On 7 May 2014 01:40, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
May be. In my conception, free market means that anyone can sell
anything, as long as playing fair. If I sell you a medication,
without warning you on some known side-effects, I should been able
to be prosecuted, for example.
OK. Who would enforce that?
Cops, or members of some commission for the public health, related
to the health ministry.
My point here is only that the current health ministry lies and have
lied since 70 years, and should be fired, perhaps prosecuted.
I do not criticize the system. I just explain that the system is
sick, for a precise reason: alcohol and cannabis prohibition have
been used as a sort of trojan horses by bandits, and we should
arrest them, and send them in jail or something.
Instead, with the bandits in power, you can see that more and more
non violent offenders (peaceful protesters for example), get
aggressed and send in jail.
Just see here for a typical case:
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/17021367/content/104750220-cecily-mcmillan-s-appearance-on-democracy-now-youtube-video
Not to mention pot smokers, or even just people asking for the
respect of the US constitution (which are classified as suspect of
terrorism by the FBI, and could be send in jail without trial with
the NDAA 2012 bill).
Capitalism works, but today capitalism simply does not exist.
Capitalism, to really work, needs independence of power, and as few
messing with civil and commercial life as possible, but since
bandits get a large part of the power, we see that the contrary
happens.
To solve the problem of terrorism, criminality, climate change, ...
we have to stop prohibition, but above all we have to understand how
prohibition has been made possible, and succeed in making that type
of things impossible.
To explain and illustrate the logical confusion between p->q and q-
>p in schools might be enough.
Bruno
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