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>>So you never would support the use of US military forces under any >>circumstances, is this correct? You don't get to define my position for me in extreme terms that suit your argument; when and where did I ever say something like that? My clear opposition to the clash of civilizations total war so loudly desired by the neocon crazies who already led this country into two disastrous foreign adventures is not tantamount to opposing the use of US military force under any circumstances. You are an extremist, and I am opposing your extremist views; I do so, in part, because I do love my country. >>Secondly, theres nothing more fascist,then a cadre of billionaires >>controlling the dem party. These boys out Koch the Koch's and one would be >>hedge fund manager and Marxist billionaire, George Soros. Whatever leads you to conclude that I support George Soros, or any other particular billionaire? You certainly seem to be someone who needs to box other people up into convenient boxes; I pity your lack of imagination really, what an impoverished inner life you must lead... boxing everything up into neatly labeled mind slots -- arranged along your Manichean good guy / bad guy axis of evil. The world is far more subtle and complex than your seem to grasp... and far more interesting too. >>Lastly, yes, I would collapse the Islamist empire if this is what it would >>take for us to survive and thrive. Your view is what, lay our heads upon the >>railroad track of 'historical inevitability,' so you can 'feel better?' The Islamic empire??? [excuse me please, while I choke with laughter]. You truly win the cake for a delusional person. What Islamic empire? I don't see one, and the fact that you believe an Islamic empire exists -- in the face of all current and historical evidence to the contrary -- is an indication to me that you are truly out of touch with reality and are operating in some hermetically sealed universe existing only in your head (and those of your fellow neocon delusional thought leaders operating in your echo chamber). Do you perhaps envision yourself as some kind of new Paul Revere? Shouting! "The [Islamists] are coming!"... sure they are buddy, best get your meds now.... go on, run off and please get back on your meds. Promise? -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Jul 6, 2014 4:17 pm Subject: RE: American Intelligence From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2014 12:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: American Intelligence You do know the concept of asymmetrical warfare? I lived through the actuality of asymmetrical war couch potato general! I didn't say you have to agree with it, but please, acknowledge that historically its a strategy that has legs. So dismissing a few thousand fighters as a zero threat is insane. No, actually what is insane is demanding that we all line up behind a genocidal total war as you so self-righteously demand that we do. Go off and fight your own damn fight coward. On average far more Americans die each year from bee stings than die from terrorist attacks; you have no sense of proportionality in weighting what are the actual real threats. It would be insane if we ignore a re-purposed jihad against the US. The total war concept is one possibility, as a response, that should never be take off the table, as a once and for all, threat removal. There are other, nuanced, ways that are more clever, that might actually work in our favor, but counting on this, for ideological reasons, is also insane. I line up behind total war as a possibility because I don't want the world to sink into a dark age, which the Islamists would likely bring. It would only be a dark age for us and not Russia, and not China. Run for the hills the Islamists are coming… hahaha you are a paranoid one aren’t you spuddy. If you believe the US is under actual risk of becoming thrown into a medievalist dark ages because of a few thousand bearded murderous dogs of war following a bearded asshole calling himself a Caliph and murdering those who dissent… then you are seriously off your fucking rockers man. There are people who never side with the US on any mil action. If you want to supply a military action, shooting, and all that, that you do support, feel free to supply that data, for a more, clear, discussion. The left, like the ISM and so forth, are supporters of Islamist groups, and this is no fib. So I say known by the company they keep. Listen up you McCarthist piss ant, you do not get to brand other Americans as enemies of their country… I do not keep company with the ISM, so fuck you and your fascist insinuations. Last, you have accused me of being a racist for seeing that the Presidents' policies suck, and daring to say so. Ah well, what can one do with such a crusty, redneck, reprobate, such as myself, after saying that. Sorry, pal, I never had a confederate flag hanging in the plywood interior of my trailer, nor, did I curse the hand that punched in the name of Al (Global Flame!) Gore, in 2000. Hey, I like hydrogen cars, call it a character flaw. I just wanted and want this nation state to survive for a few decades hence. No, you demand that everyone line up behind a global total war… you pompous insane little man. This is a view that is not shared by a majority, nor is the rational, reason, for their unwarranted, overconfidence, apparent. But, hey, its how they feel! You have proven nothing spudboy… all you have laid forth is vague ominous sounding scenarios that ferment and reverberate within the neocon insane asylum, in which you reside. And just like your neocon mentors you are too much of a coward to go off and do any fighting yourself; that you DEMAND others go off to do. And if anyone disagrees with you – you brand them an enemy of the nation. Your mental processes follow the closed circle of totalitarian doctrine…. Goose stepping your way onwards. That's what's important, correct? Actually in the historical context of the US right now what’s important, is that Tea Party fascists such as yourself get beaten back down. People who share your views are a small minority in this country; this is borne out by polling data. Americans are sick and tired of the neocon wars, spudboy… and we are sick and tired of A-holes like you who demand we all line up behind yet another neocon war. Tip o' the beret' to monsieur, Le Bon, for forecasting that one. Whatever dude. And you cannot call me a hater of my country when I disagree with your assessment of the degree and imminence of the threat posed by a few thousand armed thugs wreaking havoc in the Syrian desert. Certainly an imminent threat for Syrians and Iraqis, but not for the United States of America. You demand that we all line up behind a total war, and when anyone disagrees with you on this you start calling them haters of their country and suggest that they are even in some way in league with the jihadists. This is what I find obnoxious about you spudboy (whatever your real name is) -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Jul 6, 2014 1:58 pm Subject: RE: American Intelligence From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 11:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: American Intelligence You cannot dance at two weddings as they in Texas. There are sometimes situations where things, I have to tell you, render themselves as Manichean, sorry to say. Sometimes, its they hand that we are dealt and are forced to play. And you cannot call me a hater of my country when I disagree with your assessment of the degree and imminence of the threat posed by a few thousand armed thugs wreaking havoc in the Syrian desert. Certainly an imminent threat for Syrians and Iraqis, but not for the United States of America. You demand that we all line up behind a total war, and when anyone disagrees with you on this you start calling them haters of their country and suggest that they are even in some way in league with the jihadists. This is what I find obnoxious about you spudboy (whatever your real name is) You do not get to brand those who do not agree with your own worldview as being enemies of America; you do not get to brand me or anyone else as a being a traitor… you do not have any right to engage in couch potato McCarthyism. And when you do, as you have done, I will get right up there in your face with your own fascist behavior. As soon as you desist from this odious totalitarian technique – accusing opponents of being traitorous “fellow travelers” with enemies of the state – I will let you blather on with your arm chair general prognostications and happily hit the delete button so I do not have to wade through your mental foolishness and intolerant minded prescriptions. Chris Why have wars, if we don't have the tenacity and the bloodymindedness to win? I never said negotiation or tradeoff never work, but if you hold to appeasement, under any other name, and that appeasement isn't a mutual one, then it often makes the crisis worse as we saw under Chamberlain. As for the racism, fascism, accusations, this is typically the verbal tools of the left, when they run out of bullets. If you go ad hominem, why not me? It's fun, good for the amygdala, but it's not ameliorative. Here is an article from the UK Telegraph, sort of illustrating the constriction of freedom we have had under crony capitalism. The world seems to be run by this system, aka corporatism. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10731390/Why- Americas-poisonous-politics-makes-Market-Leninism-an-attractive-alternati ve.html You have every right to disagree with him, often I do – actually I think he is a sellout to the central money banks of Wall Street. You have every right to disagree but when you start questioning the loyalty of those who disagree with you, insinuating that they are pursuing the agenda of enemies you slip right down into fascism, into McCarthyism. You have no right to tell anybody to go live in Cuba – like you brag you do. Who, exactly do you think you are? And what kind of thing is that to say about someone you disagree with? Your love it (in precisely the way you love it) or leave it attitude is getting tiresome… you are the ugly face of America… the germ of sowing future hatred. I love my country enough to oppose people with your agenda. You don’t get to do that or say that… you can say whatever you want, but when you go off into dishing out that kind of love it or leave it McCarthyism you can expect to run into headwind. -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Jul 6, 2014 12:27 am Subject: RE: American Intelligence From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] I dare to disagree with fearless leader and his party! The gulags were run by people with this kind of thinking. How dare I judge the leadership by what it yields, rather then adherence to ideology, or kowtow because the dude has African genetics? How dare I? Tee-hee-hee!! You have every right to disagree with him, often I do – actually I think he is a sellout to the central money banks of Wall Street. You have every right to disagree but when you start questioning the loyalty of those who disagree with you, insinuating that they are pursuing the agenda of enemies you slip right down into fascism, into McCarthyism. You have no right to tell anybody to go live in Cuba – like you brag you do. Who, exactly do you think you are? And what kind of thing is that to say about someone you disagree with? Your love it (in precisely the way you love it) or leave it attitude is getting tiresome… you are the ugly face of America… the germ of sowing future hatred. I love my country enough to oppose people with your agenda. 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