On 7/9/2014 10:51 AM, John Clark wrote:
Liquid Hydrogen would be a pretty good fuel for airplanes, so let’s see how many solar cells would be needed to make the fuel to keep one in the air. A 747 jet uses on average 140 megawatts of power, incidentally even the old fashioned nuclear reactor on a Nimitz class aircraft carrier can generate 190 megawatts, a LFTR could be much smaller because it's much more energy dense. The electrolysis process to make hydrogen from water is only about 60% efficient so that brings the power requirement up to 233 megawatts, but then you need another 30% to liquefy the hydrogen (it’s not easy to do) so the grand total is you need a solar cell installation that on average produces 333 megawatts each and every hour to keep a hydrogen powered 747 in the air.

Averaged over 24 hours a square meter of solar cells might produce 30 watts 
each hour,

That's about 15% efficiency, which is good for photovoltaics, but is way below what solar-thermal achieves.

Brent

so you’d need 11,100,000 square meters of solar cells, that’s a square 2787 meters on a side. We conclude that to keep just one jet in the air we need a fuel factory that covers 3 square miles of the Earth’s surface. And that is why I don’t think solar is the answer to all our energy needs.

There are only 2 other sources that have the potential to power our civilization for the next billion years:

1) Fusion reactors, but nobody is close to figuring out how to build even a working model much less a practical machine.

2) Thorium fission reactors, and we’ve known how to build them for half a 
century.

  John K Clark
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