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>>Look, theres an article fron Reuters indicating that ISIS is now in
>>possession of radialogical matetials now, so is thisa benign thing?
Did I say that?
But all you have there is a single wire story that for all I know could be a
plant. Where is the credible evidence that would allow someone to give some
kind of quantification to it. Do you forget so quickly about the Iraqi chemical
weapons that were allegedly menacing the US? Never found them. Don't be so
gullible. The ISIS is a regional problem, but not an existential threat to
America.
>>You are content after all your writing all these posts on renewables to
>>leave the westerners reliant on petroleum from hostiles?
The US does not rely on petroleum from any territories controlled by ISIS if
you are suggesting that.
If we had instead of burning two or more trillion dollars (and counting) on the
two recent neocon led wars of choice that have created this balkanized
fragmented middle east.. if instead of breaking pots at pottery barn (remember
what General Powell said?) our country had re-tooled our grid & built out a
solar/wind along with natural gas spin up reserve domestically sourced electric
energy infrastructure coupled to a failure resistant smart grid, capable of
high voltage switching in near real time (and therefore becoming a true network
of electricity) we would not be reliant at all on oil imports. The US would
have been a stronger better positioned country, a more self-reliant country and
one that would have acted as a true leader and led the world away from the
fossil energy precipice.
Instead we got mislead by neocon chickenhawks and burned our treasure (both
wars fought on credit) and instead of being greeted with flowers in Iraq
(Wolfowitz uttered that pompous gem) we slogged through a long bloody war of
resistance that destroyed an easily manageable contained Stalinist dictatorship
and left this chaos in its wake.
The ISIS is blowback; it is those broken pots in the pottery barn Powell was
warning about.
The entire Syrian war and the ISIS phenomena is murky. In war it is not always
what it seems. In fact, the power that has the most to lose in this are the
Iranians; the de-stabilization and balkanization of Iraq and Syria and what
next Lebanon? is clearly not in Iran's strategic interests -- and in fact they
are engaged in fighting a covert war with ISIS in Syria.
America does have a substantial responsibility for this mess, but not just the
US (the British poodle Blair was right there with Bush, Cheney & those other
draft deferring chickenhawks); perhaps therefore we really should be a part of
the bloody cleanup job. But, truth be told it is not really our problem --
though we helped create it. It is a regional problem. It most certainly is not
an existential global conflict or even a strategic problem for the US -- and
are you really sure that they are not -- witting or unwitting -- actors in a
complex game, being played with US consent and even tacit support?
What is Israel's role?
The ISIS are murderous thugs and criminals; they would be horrible neighbors to
have indeed. But that is the point they are not our neighbors. It is a Middle
East regional problem; I say let them sort it out.
In parallel with public history there has been a largely covert one.. a history
of dirty wars and mercenaries that was fought on and off again in different
places (often with the same cast of characters) over the cold war era, and
continuing right up to the present day. If you do not grok this then you will
never understand what is now driving events around the planet.
>>If we go to war, would you prefer us never to try to win?
What kind of question is that? Are you one of those people who believe torture
makes the world safe for democracy? You support the indiscriminate -- as you
like to put it herr general -- carpet bombing of population centers with the
intent of killing man woman and child. You sound like that Israeli
parliamentarian Ayelet Shaked who recently called for the wholesale genocide
of the Palestinian people on her Facebook page (and got thousands of likes too)
You are demanding the US embark on another neocon Crusade in the Middle East on
flimsy nebulous fear mongering and openly racist stereotyping of a huge and
diverse teeming mass of people... all with individual lives and identities and
living across a multitude of different cultures and traditions, of differing
ethnicities, beliefs, practices, aspiration, hopes and fears
And you -- genius strategist -- bucket them all up together in one single
bucket that you have sordid dreams of carpet bombing. What is it that drives
your personal hatred?
Is it your profound ignorance of other cultures?
We should only go to war if we are attacked. War should not be a tool of
imperial diplomacy, rather it should be a defensive act of existential
survival. In life, if I go to war, in self-defense, I go to war to win, fast,
efficient, and effectively, but this is at a personal level of my own
self-defense.
Personally I feel that anyone who calls for war should get to go to war -- so
step right up there coward man.
This kind of thinking doesn't augger, well, for our survival, and the AQ Khan
nuclear net is still active. I know theres nothing we can do about it because
the rich don't care, but lying to ourselves isn't going to prevent
catastrophes, but only increase their likelihood.
Spudboy, your delusional obsession with the monolithic Caliphate ready to
deliver that as you put it "knockout blow" (as if this was a MMA cage fighting
match) is growing a tad wearisome. Build yourself a bunker; it will help you
sleep sound, knowing you are safe from marauding Jihadists. They are coming to
get you spuddy; sweet dreams of genocide neocon Crusader.
Cheers,
Chris
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Sent: Wed, Jul 9, 2014 7:32 pm
Subject: Re: American Intelligence
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>>You have offered no solutions,
Solution to what, exactly? There is no problem that requires solving,
in the first place! You demand that we embark on a radical course of
action; on a total global war, a clash of civilizations as you say. Yet
you are unable to show that in fact there is a problem at all. The US
is under no existential threat from a few thousand medieval minded
malcontents tooling around on Toyota pickups in the Syrian desert. You
believe we are, but are unable to show anyone -- not just myself --
that this rises to the level of requiring the world to fight a global
war.
>>and seem to want none, Chris.
Again... you have failed to provide any substantial evidence that there
is in fact a problem in the first place. You are the one demanding
radical action. Yet you cannot even provide evidence that a problem
exists.
>>You don't see a problem or don't want to acknowledge that there
is one.
Nope... don't see the problem! There exists no problem to acknowledge,
and you have been unable to demonstrate otherwise.
>>This is pretty normal avoidance behavior,
No this is pretty normal -- asking the person who is proposing radical
action to provide supporting evidence -- behavior.
>>and I was never attempting to persuade you with either facts or
passion. I contend its a real threat, I believe it will likely grow
worse, and will likely come due, fairly soon. It's hard to predict and
I am not in the spook side of things, so no hard knowledge.
Yes... we all know you contend this. But you are unable to support your
contentions with facts. Are you therefore suggesting that the world
must therefore becoem subjected to a global war... because a certain
person using the handle spudboy "contends" that we must?
spudboy... you have nothing besides your own paranoid convictions,
unsupported by fact. Why should anyone pay any attention to the blood
lust Crusade you are yammering on about?
>>Your guy
Who is my guy? And how do you know? Are you a mind reader now?
>> is not a guy who is interested in national protection, unless
it impacts himself, his families, his financiers, and supporters in
that order.
The executive branch of our government is not one guy by the way... you
seem to have a simpletons view of how government operates.
>>I conclude that this worldview will invite attack.
Who cares what your fact free conclusions are? Really... who cares
spudboy? I certainly don't care what fact free conclusions you reach in
your own brain.... all I care is that you keep these fact free
"conclusions" contained within your own skull.
>>You will dismiss this,
Yes, I will, and am. It is fact free hate mongering.
>>but this is what ideologists of your type do.
This is what rational thinking people do when confronted by those who
demand extreme radical measures be taken... and who then go on to
accuse anyone disagreeing with them of being traitors to their country.
Keep your eye on the news, try and follow what the Islamists say to
each other, preferably in Arabic or Farsi. Remember, its mektoub!
How about you present a few actual facts to back your radical demands
up?
Cheers,
Chris
As expected you present zero actual evidence to support your extremist
violent views. Feel free to keep digging yourself deeper into a hole...
and know that you are doing this to yourself, all by yourself.
Oh... and your stream of poorly written insults, could really use some
grammatical improvement. You have a very poor command of language;
might want to work on those elementary skills.
Cheers,
Chris
(There I go... saying Cheers again... how very un-American of me)
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<everything-list@googlegroups.com>Sent: Wed, Jul 9, 2014 3:48
pmSubject: Re: American Intelligence
From: spudboy100 via Everything List
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Americans don't say "cheers." Bwah hah hah hah! Now you do have the
capability to exclude mail recipients if you are using Outlook.The "One
quarter of the human race" statement should clarify to anyone
concerned, that you're not deciding on principle, but fear, which is
zero surprise. The ad hominem utterances, all came from the Left field,
so to speak. You and your comrade, Plutocratic Cowpie do the invective
first and foremost, if you want to view the old, emails. How dare I
get down to your level!! But, remember, I used to be one of you
shmoopies remember?
As expected you present zero actual evidence to support your extremist
violent views. Feel free to keep digging yourself deeper into a hole...
and know that you are doing this to yourself, all by yourself.
Oh... and your stream of poorly written insults, could really use some
grammatical improvement. You have a very poor command of language;
might want to work on those elementary skills.
Cheers,
Chris
(There I go... saying Cheers again... how very un-American of me)
As hearing your obnoxious characterizations of my person and position
holds little interest for me, unless you have some actual evidence, to
support your extreme view, kindly try to keep your stream of paranoid
invective to yourself.
Cheers,
Chris
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<everything-list@googlegroups.com>Sent: Wed, Jul 9, 2014 2:08
pmSubject: Re: American Intelligence
From: spudboy100 via Everything List
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>>Sure, there is always human paranoia as component is any
perceived threat. Your qualification of yourself as a "reasonable
person" is kind of a stretch. You have come across as a determined
ideologist, rather then someone pragmatic. Giving you a sales pitch for
which you are tone-deaf, as an act of "faith," is not doable. At the
end of the day, I would opt for a clash of civilizations, which it
surely, now, appears, to be, over our defeat. I never said it was the
only means of self defense, but if its necessary, I'd say yes, You
found this unacceptable, and still do, and thus its a conundrum. For
you, every war is Vietnam, every conduct of such a war would have been
like William Westmoreland conducted it-which assured victory for the
North. You cannot be risk averse and still see to US survival-or anyone
elses.
As I expected, you have nothing substantial to say, beyond attacking me
personally. It is clear by now that you are unable to provide any
actual real evidence that could lead "a reasonable person" to conclude
you actually have an arguable case for why a clash of civilizations is
inevitable and we must all march off on your genocidal Crusade to be
waged without pity against one quarter of humankind.
The continuing stream of vague shadowy threats and strident assertions,
on your part, that the menace "is real" count for nothing.
Spudboy, I am forced to conclude that you are delusional & paranoid,
and I strongly suggest you seek help.
As hearing your obnoxious characterizations of my person and position
holds little interest for me, unless you have some actual evidence, to
support your extreme view, kindly try to keep your stream of paranoid
invective to yourself.
Cheers,
Chris
What will surely be coming spudboy? And since you are so certain surely
then you have clear and convincing evidence of a factual nature that
would convince any reasonable person that you are surely right. Until
you have such clear and incontrovertible evidence can you kindly please
keep your personal paranoia bottled up inside your own brain.
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