On 29 Jul 2014, at 01:22, LizR wrote:
On 29 July 2014 02:35, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 5:55 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think he falls into the same camp as Fred Hoyle - someone who
manages to get something completely wrong
Fred Hoyle's Steady State Theory started out as a perfectly
respectable scientific idea, it turned out to be false but that's
OK, it happens to the best of us.
However he also stuck to it even when the evidence to the contrary
was completely overwhelming. But I don't think the cosmologists and
astrophysicists interviewed by Nigel Calder were ONLY talking about
the Steady State. The "prove Fred wrong" meme involved a number of
ideas - and "Violent Universe" was published in the early 70s, or
around then, so it was most likely to do with other cosmological
ideas, since I'm pretty sure that was before Sir Fred decided AIDS
came from space and evolution was like a typhoon in a junkyard, and
so on. (And it was when he was still writing decent SF.)
> whatever a computer does is "just" the movement of electrons
around circuits
And whatever a human brain does is "just" the movement of molecules
and ions around neurons. That word "just" sure covers a lot!
Hence the quote marks. Don't worry I "just" love being quoted out of
context.
If that proves a computer can't be conscious then it also proves
that humans aren't conscious; and except for me maybe that's the case.
It supposedly proves that the materialist paradigm doesn't explain
consciousness, according to comp. Personally I have yet to be
convinced (hence those damn quote marks.)
I think (maybe pace David) that materialism explains well
consciousness, by using comp. The problem is that such explanation
makes *matter* incomprehensible. The problem is that with comp,
materialism is no more able to explain matter. Even assuming matter
(making it primitive) do no more work. Matter can only be explained by
a measure on all computations, and this, when translated in math,
seems to lead to the quantum, making the quantum a conceptual
confirmation of comp. The quantum appears as a the digital seen by the
machine internal to arithmetic.
Bruno
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