This can't be correct. There are at least 2 trillion barrels worth of keragen, in the 4 corners are of Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, and Colorado. There may be sane reasons for never using this resource, price/cost ratio, being the foremost, and also the costs of water and land remediation, added on. But its there if we need it desperately. if we're speaking of shale gas, that's another issue, but likely still have 90-100 years worth at current rates of consumption. Unless we run our cars on shale gas, rather then our homes, this amount won't change, but methane powered cars is another possibility, not a likelihood, but possible.
The petroleum engineers keep coming up with technical workarounds even while the energy starvationists, claim we are running out. This has been true since the UK Jevons study of 1865, because the pessimism goes back at least that far. If we think about it, what saved the whales in the mid 19th century was the conversion of dirty coal (and it is dirty) into kerosene, rather then slaughtering whales, for lamp oil. One area that looks like it might really work is geothermal. Perhaps mine the heat, rather than hydro-carbon as a primary, worlds' energy source for everything. I don't see how this is possible, but then I am not a petro-engineer. Not to make your innards unhappy, but I guess the petro-engineers may actually make methane hydrates work. I'd prefer solar, wind, geo, bio; but I'm a realist. Either the toilets flush are they don't. -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Aug 8, 2014 12:01 pm Subject: RE: The game explained to soft ecologist, ecoalarmist and alternative energy lovers The Imminent Peak In US Oil Production: http://peakoilbarrel.com/imminent-peak-us-oil-production/ Tight oil only provides a small period of time of significant production before decline sets in. US shale is peaking already and will soon enter decline. The numbers tell the story; which the oil & gas sector PR seeks to obscure (it’s bad for investment). From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 4:43 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: The game explained to soft ecologist, ecoalarmist and alternative energy lovers When we look at geophysical forces, the action of biochemistry, over the long millions of years, humankind is puny. Nature, Biochemistry, Geo-activity, Evolution, are all neutral things, because it is the human senses, and thought, that gives value, or de-value, to all of these. I don't think planet worship is a good thing, in and of itself. In fact, the elites that you guys ignore, value the planet, over the rest of us, damned, dirty, apes (Orig. Planet Apes, Heston) In the 20th century, UK Labor leaders would make speeches about members of the House of Lords, exclaiming, "Someday, we'll have him out of that auto!" which mean't, the chauffer driven Rolls Royce. People like Al Gore, George Soros, say the same thing except they want all of the Proles out of their cars and forced to take public transport, while they fly private jets, have their own chauffer driven limousines. The elitists hypocrisy of the Green Reds, should at least gather people's concern, however, their sins are ignored as they fund Progressive causes, specifically environmental causes. They are worse, to me, then, vile, uncle Penny Bags, in his top hat and tux, reviled by progressives-a symbol of capitalism. What needs to be addressed, entirely, is Crony Capitalism, which has direct, access to power, and essentially, runs the world. Crony Capitalists, run both parties in the states, and I suspect this might be true in Kiwiland? Humans, when our lifestyles get upgraded, start to become concerned about critters survival (plants too) when they climb up Maslow's hierarchy of needs. But definitely, not before! I agree with the Rational Optimist view of the world. The Chinese, burn gigatons of coal, (which Green schmucks never ever address!) yet I suspect if the had a cheaper, cleaner, abundant, option, even party leaders and their billionaires, would opt for clean air. So far, the miracle of solar power hasn't done this. Try powering Shang Hai on solar and wind. Success? Ah! Not yet. The Chinese have double the amount of shale gas then we, but not the expertise yet to exploit it, or the political will. In the US it goes zooming along, despite the lamentations of the greenies, In Europe its stalled due to Green-Red control and the sheer delight of importing methane from Lord Putin. That is their choice, of course. -----Original Message----- From: LizR <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Aug 8, 2014 12:27 am Subject: Re: The game explained to soft ecologist, ecoalarmist and alternative energy lovers On 8 August 2014 01:58, Platonist Guitar Cowboy <[email protected]> wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy <[email protected]> wrote: I believe Spud and Alberto should get married. They could raise ducks and feel important like this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSZmV_3Lm_A It would be empowering for both of them. "Heil der Planet" is grammatically (syntax) flawed btw. PGC Heil den Planet, oder? (I'm trying to learn German :) Lol. I'd have thought Dativ "Heil dem Planeten" if anything; but it sounds ridiculous without a proper noun as "which planet?" is not even clear. And yes, Alberto laid that trap and predicted my correction... but I predicted that he would post this and lay the trap + that he and spud will continue doing so about a month ago. No surprises here. PGC Hm, "heal" doesn't mean "heil" ("hail") in any case. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. 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