Re: The game explained to soft ecologist, ecoalarmist and alternative energy lovers

Fri, 08 Aug 2014 16:42:47 -0700 



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 From: spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]>
To: [email protected] 
Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: The game explained to soft ecologist, ecoalarmist and alternative 
energy lovers
 


>>This can't be correct.

Why? Because you don't want to believe it can be correct?


>>There are at least 2 trillion barrels worth of keragen, in the 4 corners are 
>>of Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, and Colorado. 

Says who? Based on what data source? Is it recoverable? Counting 
non-recoverable fossil energy deposits as part of the reserve is dishonest (and 
very widely done, because the future valuation of fossil energy companies 
depends in large part on the perceived quality and quantity of their reserves)


There may be sane reasons for never using this resource, price/cost ratio, 
being the foremost, and also the costs of water and land remediation, added on. 
But its there if we need it desperately. 
 
if we're speaking of shale gas, that's another issue, but likely still have 
90-100 years worth at current rates of consumption. Unless we run our cars on 
shale gas, rather then our homes, this amount won't change, but methane powered 
cars is another possibility, not a likelihood, but possible. 
 
The petroleum engineers keep coming up with technical workarounds even while 
the energy starvationists, claim we are running out. This has been true since 
the UK Jevons study of 1865, because the pessimism goes back at least that far. 
If we think about it, what saved the whales in the mid 19th century was the 
conversion of dirty coal (and it is dirty) into kerosene, rather then 
slaughtering whales, for lamp oil. 
 
One area that looks like it might really work is geothermal. Perhaps mine the 
heat, rather than hydro-carbon as a primary, worlds' energy source for 
everything. I don't see how this is possible, but then I am not a 
petro-engineer. Not to make your innards unhappy, but I guess the 
petro-engineers may actually make methane hydrates work. I'd prefer solar, 
wind, geo, bio; but I'm a realist. Either the toilets flush are they don't. 
 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]>
To: everything-list <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, Aug 8, 2014 12:01 pm
Subject: RE: The game explained to soft ecologist, ecoalarmist and alternative 
energy lovers


The Imminent Peak In US Oil Production:
 
http://peakoilbarrel.com/imminent-peak-us-oil-production/
 
Tight oil only provides a small period of time of significant production before 
decline sets in. US shale is peaking already and will soon enter decline. The 
numbers tell the story; which the oil & gas sector PR seeks to obscure (it’s 
bad for investment). 
 
From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 4:43 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: The game explained to soft ecologist, ecoalarmist and alternative 
energy lovers
 
When we look at geophysical forces, the action of biochemistry, over the long 
millions of years, humankind is puny. Nature, Biochemistry, Geo-activity, 
Evolution, are all neutral things, because it is the human senses, and thought, 
that gives value, or de-value, to all of these. I don't think planet worship is 
a good thing, in and of itself. In fact, the elites that you guys ignore, value 
the planet, over the rest of us, damned, dirty, apes (Orig. Planet Apes, 
Heston) 
 
In the 20th century, UK Labor leaders would make speeches about members of the 
House of Lords, exclaiming, "Someday, we'll have him out of that auto!" which 
mean't, the chauffer driven Rolls Royce. People like Al Gore, George Soros, say 
the same thing except they want all of the Proles out of their cars and forced 
to take public transport, while they fly private jets, have their own chauffer 
driven limousines. The elitists hypocrisy of the Green Reds, should at least 
gather people's concern, however, their sins are ignored as they fund 
Progressive causes, specifically environmental causes.
 
They are worse, to me, then, vile, uncle Penny Bags, in his top hat and tux, 
reviled by progressives-a symbol of capitalism. What needs to be addressed, 
entirely, is Crony Capitalism, which has direct, access to power, and 
essentially, runs the world. Crony Capitalists, run both parties in the states, 
and I suspect this might be true in Kiwiland?
Humans, when our lifestyles get upgraded, start to become concerned about 
critters survival (plants too) when they climb up Maslow's hierarchy of needs. 
But definitely, not before! I agree with the Rational Optimist view of the 
world. The Chinese, burn gigatons of coal, (which Green schmucks never ever 
address!) yet I suspect if the had a cheaper, cleaner, abundant, option, even 
party leaders and their billionaires, would opt for clean air. So far, the 
miracle of solar power hasn't done this. Try powering Shang Hai on solar and 
wind. Success? Ah! Not yet. 
 
The Chinese have double the amount of shale gas then we, but not the expertise 
yet to exploit it, or the political will. In the US it goes zooming along, 
despite the lamentations of the greenies, In Europe its stalled due to 
Green-Red control and the sheer delight of importing methane from Lord Putin. 
That is their choice, of course.
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: LizR <[email protected]>
To: everything-list <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, Aug 8, 2014 12:27 am
Subject: Re: The game explained to soft ecologist, ecoalarmist and alternative 
energy lovers
On 8 August 2014 01:58, Platonist Guitar Cowboy <[email protected]> 
wrote:
On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy 
<[email protected]> wrote:
I believe Spud and Alberto should get married. They could raise ducks and feel 
important like this guy: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSZmV_3Lm_A

It would be empowering for both of them. "Heil der Planet" is grammatically 
(syntax) flawed btw. PGC
 
Heil den Planet, oder?
 
(I'm trying to learn German :)
 
Lol. I'd have thought Dativ "Heil dem Planeten" if anything; but it sounds 
ridiculous without a proper noun as "which planet?" is not even clear. And yes, 
Alberto laid that trap and predicted my correction... but I predicted that he 
would post this and lay the trap + that he and spud will continue doing so 
about a month ago. No surprises here. PGC
 
Hm, "heal" doesn't mean "heil" ("hail") in any case.
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