On 25 August 2014 08:43, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> That's because Bruno rejects the link between 1) and 2) and takes
> computation to exist in Platonia, independent of physics.  So of course
> with that assumption physics needs to either be explained from computation
> (Bruno's program) or have it's own dualist basis.  I'm not so sure Platonia
> exists.  Look up the old archive debates between Bruno and Peter Jones.
>

If I understand Bruno's arguement correctly, that isn't an assumption, it's
a deduction. He assumes physical and classical computation until he gets to
the MGA, which apparently shows that we have to reject the assumption of
physical computation, although I still don't really understand how (and all
the talk of counterfactuals hasn't helped, as yet, unfortunately).

The whole comp programme may of course be scuppered if consciousness
requires quantum computation and the existence of a multiverse. Or it may
not, since quantum computation (apparently) only speeds up classical
computation. Alternatively, if a multiverse is necessary, then maybe that
shows that consciousness is a larger phenomenon than is dreamt of, even in
Bruno's philosophy, and we experience only a tiny sliver of it, at least in
this universe?

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