In my opinion the rewards are petty. Nothing like you can get here on Earth by being true to yourself.
On 3 October 2014 11:25, spudboy100 via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote: > The Amadhis are generally reviled by members of the Umah (Islamic > Community) both Sunni and Shia, because they're about the only, organized, > sect of Islam that is easy going. Even the Sufis, who attempt a mystical > connection with God are not tolerant, in the conventional sense of the > word. Their leaders have endorsed violent jihad, against the Kufar, > (non-Muslims, as well as most of the other sects of Islam. > > > My View > > Now the question I would ask is, does any action by the Kufar justify a > jihad against them? Historically, yes, with the Crusades of the middle ages > (700 years ago), and the British and French and Italian conquests of the > 19th and 20th centuries, in North Africa and the Near East. > > Other wars have been started, historically, by the Caliphs aggression into > Europe, into India, into Africa, where Islam spreads power by the sword, > and imposes sharia on the conquered. This is true even today, and the > behavior of ISIS is historically, identical to other Islamist empire > building. What can we plebeians do about this? Nothing. We have no power, > no influence and the elites are tuned into their own self interests. Call > it human nature. > > To those to deride religion, I would just say to you, that its not how you > play the game, its if you win or lose. Losing in this case, would likely > mean a dictatorship of the most determined survivors of a big conflict. The > survivors might be the Hindus of India, or the Chinese, but I doubt if its > the Russians, or Latin America. It won't be the US, or Europe, so perhaps > Australia? > > To die for Allah is slay for Allah. The reward for the mujahedeen is > enormous, for to sacrifice ones self, and the opponent of God, is to > granted immediate entry into paradise (Janah) and its rewards are not > unsubstantial. One way to change the Umah's mind (if such is even possible) > would be to make widespread, Clement Vidal's publications, especially, The > Beginning and the End, The Meaning of Life in a Cosmological Perspective. > Part of the book details with afterlife concepts in a rational sense, as > well as much, more. Vidal is a colleague of Bruno Marchal at Free > University, Brussels. Vidal's influence may induce those looking for a > heavenly, rewards, for head chopping unbelievers, a good think. > > It would also alter our own perspective as well. Make the world a bit more > peaceful, and provide some reassurance for all. > > Honk! If you all agree ;-) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: meekerdb <[email protected]> > To: everything-list <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, Oct 2, 2014 12:06 am > Subject: Re: FW: generalizations_of_islam > > On 10/1/2014 8:31 PM, LizR wrote: > > Thank you, that's interesting (of course, it should be obvious to anyone > with a few brain cells that facile generalisations are bad... but they > creep in all too easily...) > > > But also facile distinctions are made: > > *ASLAN: Stoning and mutilation and those barbaric practices should be > condemned and criticized by everyone. The actions of individuals and > societies and countries like Iran, like Pakistan, like Saudi Arabia must be > condemned, because they don't belong in the 21st century.* > > *But to say Muslim countries, as though Pakistan and Turkey are the same, > as though Indonesia and Saudi Arabia are the same, as though somehow what > is happening in the most extreme forms of these repressive countries, these > autocratic countries, is representative of what's happening in every other > Muslim country, is, frankly -- and I use this word seriously -- stupid. So > let's stop doing that. * > > > Turkey is different precisely because Kemal Ataturk made separation of > church and state a foundation of Turkey - something directly contrary to > the Quran which mandates theocracy. So it is not as though the differences > are between Pakistan and Turkey or Saudi Arabia and Indonesia are unrelated > to religion. The difference are that the more barabaric nations are the > more religious. > > Brent > > > On 2 October 2014 15:56, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The following link might be of interest. It addresses some of the >> questions raised on this forum about Islam. >> Samiya >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> Subject: generalizations_of_islam >> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 22:23:35 -0400 >> >> >> Good segment >> >> >> http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/09/30/reza_aslan_mahers_facile_generalizations_of_islam_the_definition_of_bigotry.html >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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