Thanks. Well, I wish I was as strong as me. On 3 October 2014 11:41, spudboy100 via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote:
> I agree Liz, yet this been the cause for mass killings the world over. For > many, the being true to ones self, means going through life without pot > holders, so to speak. Not everyone seems as strong as you. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: LizR <[email protected]> > To: everything-list <[email protected]> > Sent: Thu, Oct 2, 2014 6:32 pm > Subject: Re: generalizations_of_islam > > In my opinion the rewards are petty. Nothing like you can get here on > Earth by being true to yourself. > > On 3 October 2014 11:25, spudboy100 via Everything List < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> The Amadhis are generally reviled by members of the Umah (Islamic >> Community) both Sunni and Shia, because they're about the only, organized, >> sect of Islam that is easy going. Even the Sufis, who attempt a mystical >> connection with God are not tolerant, in the conventional sense of the >> word. Their leaders have endorsed violent jihad, against the Kufar, >> (non-Muslims, as well as most of the other sects of Islam. >> >> >> My View >> >> Now the question I would ask is, does any action by the Kufar justify a >> jihad against them? Historically, yes, with the Crusades of the middle ages >> (700 years ago), and the British and French and Italian conquests of the >> 19th and 20th centuries, in North Africa and the Near East. >> >> Other wars have been started, historically, by the Caliphs aggression >> into Europe, into India, into Africa, where Islam spreads power by the >> sword, and imposes sharia on the conquered. This is true even today, and >> the behavior of ISIS is historically, identical to other Islamist empire >> building. What can we plebeians do about this? Nothing. We have no power, >> no influence and the elites are tuned into their own self interests. Call >> it human nature. >> >> To those to deride religion, I would just say to you, that its not how >> you play the game, its if you win or lose. Losing in this case, would >> likely mean a dictatorship of the most determined survivors of a big >> conflict. The survivors might be the Hindus of India, or the Chinese, but I >> doubt if its the Russians, or Latin America. It won't be the US, or Europe, >> so perhaps Australia? >> >> To die for Allah is slay for Allah. The reward for the mujahedeen is >> enormous, for to sacrifice ones self, and the opponent of God, is to >> granted immediate entry into paradise (Janah) and its rewards are not >> unsubstantial. One way to change the Umah's mind (if such is even possible) >> would be to make widespread, Clement Vidal's publications, especially, The >> Beginning and the End, The Meaning of Life in a Cosmological Perspective. >> Part of the book details with afterlife concepts in a rational sense, as >> well as much, more. Vidal is a colleague of Bruno Marchal at Free >> University, Brussels. Vidal's influence may induce those looking for a >> heavenly, rewards, for head chopping unbelievers, a good think. >> >> It would also alter our own perspective as well. Make the world a bit >> more peaceful, and provide some reassurance for all. >> >> Honk! If you all agree ;-) >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: meekerdb <[email protected]> >> To: everything-list <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thu, Oct 2, 2014 12:06 am >> Subject: Re: FW: generalizations_of_islam >> >> On 10/1/2014 8:31 PM, LizR wrote: >> >> Thank you, that's interesting (of course, it should be obvious to anyone >> with a few brain cells that facile generalisations are bad... but they >> creep in all too easily...) >> >> >> But also facile distinctions are made: >> >> *ASLAN: Stoning and mutilation and those barbaric practices should be >> condemned and criticized by everyone. The actions of individuals and >> societies and countries like Iran, like Pakistan, like Saudi Arabia must be >> condemned, because they don't belong in the 21st century.* >> >> *But to say Muslim countries, as though Pakistan and Turkey are the same, >> as though Indonesia and Saudi Arabia are the same, as though somehow what >> is happening in the most extreme forms of these repressive countries, these >> autocratic countries, is representative of what's happening in every other >> Muslim country, is, frankly -- and I use this word seriously -- stupid. So >> let's stop doing that. * >> >> >> Turkey is different precisely because Kemal Ataturk made separation of >> church and state a foundation of Turkey - something directly contrary to >> the Quran which mandates theocracy. So it is not as though the differences >> are between Pakistan and Turkey or Saudi Arabia and Indonesia are unrelated >> to religion. The difference are that the more barabaric nations are the >> more religious. >> >> Brent >> >> >> On 2 October 2014 15:56, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> The following link might be of interest. 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