YEP, this is why I feel people should work actively, on human transcendence, which would do a couple of good things for our species, even if its just a solid theoretical path.
Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -----Original Message----- From: LizR <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Oct 2, 2014 05:48 PM Subject: Re: generalizations_of_islam <div id="AOLMsgPart_2_6710b022-6f6b-48f2-8c4f-fdcb33690af6"> <div class="aolReplacedBody"> <div dir="ltr"> Thanks. Well, I wish I was as strong as me. </div> <div class="aolmail_gmail_extra"> <div class="aolmail_gmail_quote"> On 3 October 2014 11:41, spudboy100 via Everything List <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>></span> wrote: <blockquote class="aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <font color="black" face="arial"> <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="background-color:transparent">I agree Liz, yet this been the cause for mass killings the world over. For many, the being true to ones self, means going through life without pot holders, so to speak. Not everyone seems as strong as you.</font> <div style="color:black;font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt"> <span>-----Original Message----- From: LizR <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>> To: everything-list <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>> </span> <div class="aolmail_h5"> Sent: Thu, Oct 2, 2014 6:32 pm Subject: Re: generalizations_of_islam <div> <div dir="ltr"> In my opinion the rewards are petty. Nothing like you can get here on Earth by being true to yourself. <div class="aolmail_gmail_extra"> <div class="aolmail_gmail_quote"> On 3 October 2014 11:25, spudboy100 via Everything List <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>></span> wrote: <blockquote class="aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"> <font color="black" face="arial"> The Amadhis are generally reviled by members of the Umah (Islamic Community) both Sunni and Shia, because they're about the only, organized, sect of Islam that is easy going. Even the Sufis, who attempt a mystical connection with God are not tolerant, in the conventional sense of the word. Their leaders have endorsed violent jihad, against the Kufar, (non-Muslims, as well as most of the other sects of Islam. My View Now the question I would ask is, does any action by the Kufar justify a jihad against them? Historically, yes, with the Crusades of the middle ages (700 years ago), and the British and French and Italian conquests of the 19th and 20th centuries, in North Africa and the Near East. Other wars have been started, historically, by the Caliphs aggression into Europe, into India, into Africa, where Islam spreads power by the sword, and imposes sharia on the conquered. This is true even today, and the behavior of ISIS is historically, identical to other Islamist empire building. What can we plebeians do about this? Nothing. We have no power, no influence and the elites are tuned into their own self interests. Call it human nature. To those to deride religion, I would just say to you, that its not how you play the game, its if you win or lose. Losing in this case, would likely mean a dictatorship of the most determined survivors of a big conflict. The survivors might be the Hindus of India, or the Chinese, but I doubt if its the Russians, or Latin America. It won't be the US, or Europe, so perhaps Australia? To die for Allah is slay for Allah. The reward for the mujahedeen is enormous, for to sacrifice ones self, and the opponent of God, is to granted immediate entry into paradise (Janah) and its rewards are not unsubstantial. One way to change the Umah's mind (if such is even possible) would be to make widespread, Clement Vidal's publications, especially, The Beginning and the End, The Meaning of Life in a Cosmological Perspective. Part of the book details with afterlife concepts in a rational sense, as well as much, more. Vidal is a colleague of Bruno Marchal at Free University, Brussels. Vidal's influence may induce those looking for a heavenly, rewards, for head chopping unbelievers, a good think. It would also alter our own perspective as well. Make the world a bit more peaceful, and provide some reassurance for all. Honk! If you all agree ;-) <div> <div> <div style="color:black;font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt"> -----Original Message----- From: meekerdb < <a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>> To: everything-list < <a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>> Sent: Thu, Oct 2, 2014 12:06 am Subject: Re: FW: generalizations_of_islam <div> <div> On 10/1/2014 8:31 PM, LizR wrote: <blockquote> <div dir="ltr"> Thank you, that's interesting (of course, it should be obvious to anyone with a few brain cells that facile generalisations are bad... but they creep in all too easily...) </div> </blockquote> But also facile distinctions are made: <i>ASLAN: Stoning and mutilation and those barbaric practices should be condemned and criticized by everyone. The actions of individuals and societies and countries like Iran, like Pakistan, like Saudi Arabia must be condemned, because they don't belong in the 21st century.</i> <i> </i> <i> </i> <i>But to say Muslim countries, as though Pakistan and Turkey are the same, as though Indonesia and Saudi Arabia are the same, as though somehow what is happening in the most extreme forms of these repressive countries, these autocratic countries, is representative of what's happening in every other Muslim country, is, frankly -- and I use this word seriously -- stupid. So let's stop doing that. </i> Turkey is different precisely because Kemal Ataturk made separation of church and state a foundation of Turkey - something directly contrary to the Quran which mandates theocracy. So it is not as though the differences are between Pakistan and Turkey or Saudi Arabia and Indonesia are unrelated to religion. The difference are that the more barabaric nations are the more religious. Brent <blockquote> <div class="aolmail_gmail_extra"> <div class="aolmail_gmail_quote"> On 2 October 2014 15:56, Samiya Illias <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>></span> wrote: <blockquote class="aolmail_gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"> <div dir="ltr"> The following link might be of interest. It addresses some of the questions raised on this forum about Islam. Samiya <div class="aolmail_gmail_quote"> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- <div dir="ltr"> <div> Subject: generalizations_of_islam Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 22:23:35 -0400 <div dir="ltr"> <font color="#000000" face="Tahoma,sans-serif"> Good segment</font> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/09/30/reza_aslan_mahers_facile_generalizations_of_islam_the_definition_of_bigotry.html";>http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/09/30/reza_aslan_mahers_facile_generalizations_of_islam_the_definition_of_bigotry.html</a> <span><font color="#888888"> </font></span> </div> <span><font color="#888888"> </font></span> </div> </div> <span><font color="#888888"> </font></span> </div> <span><font color="#888888"> </font></span> </div> <span><font color="#888888"> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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