On 17 Oct 2014, at 07:46, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> I ask myself who would INSIST on using the word "God" (and not
some other word)
> Which one? I have suggested an other word, like the ONE, but you
did not reply.
If the "ONE" is supposed to mean the reason there is something
rather than nothing it might be confusing if it turns out, and it
could, that there is more than one thing responsible for that; it is
also possible that the "ONE" is equal to zero because nothing is
responsible for it.
That would be impossible, again if you agree that 2+2=4, given that
you have to assume something to justify it.
Then by the ONE, I mean God, in the greek sense of whatever is needed
to have a reality and consciousness.
If you need two things, then the One is the collection of that two
things. If you need a primitive universe, then the One is that
primitive physical Universe (but this would be confusing, as Pltinus'
ONE is not a physical universe). using God, like everybody (in and out
of a special religion) is simpler.
But if I did agree and thus freed up the word "God" for what nearly
everybody on the planet already means by it would you also write a
post to this list, also in all capital letters, saying "THERE IS NO
GOD"? I don't think you could ever bring yourself to type that
because you love the word G-O-D too much.
It depends what you mean by "There is no God".
If you mean that there is no fairy tale God, I guess that is quite
plausible. If you mean that there is no reason of the existence of
universe and consciousness, then that is not plausible with
computationalism, but it might be with some non computationalist
theory of mind.
> That is the key things in most neoplatonist theologies: God is not
even a being. It does not exist as an object, nor a phenomenon. With
simple logic, it cannot be omniscient,
Forget omniscient, if Cosmologists are even close to being correct
"God", the reason there is something rather than nothing, is not
even as intelligent as a worm
That's close to Plotinus "outer God" (that the called the ONE). I am
OK. But that is false for the Inner God.
For mystics and rationalist theologian, it is not completely false to
believe that there might be only one person, and that the one
conscious in us is God. But the political religion hate that idea,
because they use religion to control people, and letting people
realize that they are God is a freeing of the mind which threats their
power, so most people getting mystical experience have hide the fact,
and when they did still want explain the result, they have done so in
non-transparent way (just to avoid being burned or banished).
With this in mind, it can be considered impolite to say that God does
not exist, because you never know to who you are really speaking (grin).
and has less memory than one; and I would maintain that virtually
nobody means that when they use the word "God", not even you except
when you're arguing on this list about religion with me.
Read Aldous Huxley "philosophia perennis", or reread Jason Resh post
where it gave you the list of definition of Gods used in many
different religion. We have already talk about this. Your conception
of God is the conception of the fundamentalist I think. I don't think
that genuine believer of any religion can be fundamentalist.
Fundamentalism, and even more radicalism, is a symptom of lack of faith.
Bruno
John K Clark
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