On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 18 Oct 2014, at 13:02, Richard Ruquist wrote: > > Bruno: Then by the ONE, I mean God, in the greek sense of whatever is > needed to have a reality and consciousness. > > Richard: If MWI can be derived from comp and if the MWI is deterministic, > then IMO there is no need for consciousness. > I claim that "a reality and consciousness" , that is a single world SWI > reality, can be obtained by a cosmic consciousness that selects a single > quantum possibility in every particle interaction to become physical- which > amounts to a god or just how nature works. An alternative that does not > require consciousness is Zurek's Quantum Darwinism. > http://arxiv.org/pdf/0903.5082v1.pdf (Perhaps that is equivalent to your > Gaussian Worlds GWI). > > > Belinfante (who wrote an impressive book on hidden variable theories and > QM) wrote (another) book where he defends the idea of collapse made by an > observer "outside" the physical universe, to select a unique cosmos. > This is consistent with my Metaverse string cosomology http://vixra.org/abs/1303.0194 Richard > > As mechanism is my working hypothesis, I recover it from self-reference > and its intensional nuance from arithmetic. Alhough this entails an > inflation of dreams, we have to do the math to see if the dreams of number > cohere enough to define a universe, or a multiverse, or a > multi-multi-verse, etc. > > There are some problem of language, beacsue the term "universe" is never > really well defined, a bit like the term God. It is a fuzzy pointer. > > Bruno > > > > > On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 3:17 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On 18 Oct 2014, at 02:19, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 2:12 AM, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> > Of course, the next distraction is to complain the world ain't murcan >>>> enough, >>> >>> >>> Yeah, I've always said the world needs to be more murcan, in fact some >>> of my best friends are reoflactacly murcan; and things would be even better >>> if they were just more diphlesadory in a refungent sort of way. >>> >>> >>>> > with all the appropriate colonial hillbilly imperialist connotations, >>>> including racial overtones, like correcting others for sharing and >>>> communicating in "your" language "properly". >>>> >>> >>> Mr. Cowboy, may I make a humble suggestion, before you honor us with >>> another of your patented stream of consciousness word salads try waiting 5 >>> minutes and then read what you've written aloud to yourself. If you had >>> done that I don't think you would have hit the "send" button and sent the >>> ASCII sequence quoted above to the list. >>> >> >> Humble? You're giving snobby English lessons to people with spell >> checkers to distract still avoiding topic. PfffGC >> >> >> You are right. Eventually all this is distracting talk, to avoid the real >> thing, like why he stops in step 3. >> >> What I try to understand, is why he does that. Is it fear of >> understanding, or fear of not understanding. is because he has a (blind) >> faith in physicalism? (He pretended that this is not the case). >> >> I try to understand why human can be so anti-rational on the fundamental >> questions. >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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