From: Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]>
To: everything-list <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: real A.I.
>>The key point is not energy, but power. Political power.
Precisely... for once you say something that actually makes some sense...
though not in the way you intended it to. The key nexus of power is the power
of the fossil lobby protecting the future evaluation of its fossil energy
reserves -- and hence the current bottom line balance sheets of the global
fossil energy giants. As long as the world remains fixed on the fossil carbon
treadmill these huge fortunes will be protected and their power -- both
economic and political -- preserved. This provides a powerful and clear motive
to lie, distort, obfuscate, censure, oppose, and obstruct.-Chris
2014-12-12 7:20 GMT+01:00 John Clark <[email protected]>:
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 3:41 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
> We and other species could no doubt adapt to the much warmer climate of the
> Carboniferous era - but not in a few hundred years.
When things got super hot life adapted, and we're far more intelligent than
anything that lived during the Carboniferous and the specialty of intelligence
is being good at adapting quickly to changing environmental conditions.
> > Did that revelation come to you in a dream? You know why the Earth was
super cold 450 million years ago and super hot 360 million years ago and
everything in-between since?
> No it came to me reading about the Milankovich cycles.
Please explain how ether the 21,000 or 26,000 or 41,000 year Milankovitch cycle
can explain why the Earth was colder than it's ever been 450 million years ago
and hotter than any time in the last two billion years 360 million years ago.
>> No person who doesn't make his living feeding environmental panic says the
>> global temperature is going to rise 4.5degK anytime soon,
> It's the 95% upper confidence bound of the IPCC projection for 2100.
Bureaucratic agencies have a survival instinct, if people thought there was no
need to be in a environmental panic there would be no reason for a agency like
the IPCC to exist, and I don't give a damn if they're confident I only care if
they're correct and predictions about what things will be like in 85 years
almost never are. For heavens sake that's like demanding that the Wright
Brothers find a solution to airport congestion; if in 85 years global warming
turns out to be a real problem our toolkit for fixing things will be VASTLY
larger and more powerful than it is now, and in the meantime there are plenty
of more important problems that need fixing right now.
> Bullshit. You're just making up straw man "environmentalist". One of my
> close friends is president of the Sierra Club and he's *for* nuclear power.
We've been down this road before. I don't know who your mystery friend is but
I do know that the Sierra Club official website says:
"The Sierra Club remains unequivocally opposed to nuclear energy."
> And even those who are against it only hold that opinion because they think
> solar and wind can replace oil.
Then they are fools.
John K Clark
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