The modern man can accept any oppression, with the condition that must be impersonal the hand that imposes it. Nicolás Gómez Dávila
2014-12-19 15:47 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>: > > > On 18 Dec 2014, at 18:46, John Clark wrote: > > Although I am in good health I have just signed up with Alcor to have my > head cryogenically frozen at 320 degrees below zero (77 degrees Kelvin) > after my death. I am not convinced it will work but I am convinced that if > it doesn't work it won't cause me to be any deader. I'm curious if anyone > else on this list has done the same. > > > Well, you just say "yes" to a doctor who is plausibly not even born. You > might not be deader, but you might wake up as a brain in a vat, perhaps > with a loss of some functions, and perhaps with an unbearable headache. I > am not sure I am interested, but it is rather courageous. I think that it > is vein somehow, tough, given the computationalist immortality which > follows from the fact that you could survive. > > I think that computationalism get closer to Hinduism than occidental > religion, where the goal is more to avoid reincarnation, and cut the cycle > of terrestrial birth and death, than to perpetuate the ego; > > Hmm... You might perhaps one day make a salvia experience, you might live > an experience which might change your mind on this. But I am not sure if I > can recommend this. My experience as a sitter, but also from reports, > confirms my feeling that people with strong religious belief (like > atheists, although they are usually not aware of this) makes very often > quite bad trip. It seems the time for them to realize that they did have > religious beliefs, without knowing, and they begin to doubt on something > they thought they would never doubt, and it can generate new fears. I have > a moral dilemma. I don't want to recommend salvia, but I would feel guilty > by not pushing someone I care about to do that salvia experience before > saying yes to a doctor. > The salvia experience has this key feature: you can't easily dismissed the > experience as an hallucination, because if it is an hallucination, then the > brain is able to do something which is even more impossible to believe in. > There is a sort of Gödelian-Löbian trick, but despite 4006 experiences up > to now, I can't put my finger on it, nor can I explain the possibility of > remembering parts of that experience in the computationalist frame. > > Well, I wish you first a long life, and good luck for the next one, with > our without artificial means. > > Bruno > > > > > John K Clark > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
