-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 6:55 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: I signed up to be cryogenically frozen
On 19 Dec 2014, at 05:34, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected] > ] On Behalf Of Russell Standish > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 7:39 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: I signed up to be cryogenically frozen > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 02:27:46PM -0800, meekerdb wrote: >> >> Have you considered that if Bruno is right and there's quantum >> immortality then there will a duplicate John K. Clark. >> >> Brent >> > > More likely, John Clark will wake up having been resucitated from a > thawed brain, rather than some other improbable event, and be > $80,000 the lighter for it. > > Water expands when it freezes; Bruno>>Yes. Now some frogs handle this freezing process, and I think we might one day solve that problem by genetical engineering, like installing the DNA software of that frogs in our DNA. I believe there is considerable effort -- with R&D driven by the military sector -- to find anti-freeze analogs to those used by those frogs (which are poisonous in humans, but not to those frogs). I suspect they are looking at thousands of potential compounds that have promising anti-freeze properties looking for ones that have a low toxicity in humans. The military applications are compelling. For example battlefield cryo-preservation of wounded soldiers, until such time as they can be transported to adequate medical facilities equipped to handle their type of wounds. Or -- more speculative and dystopian -- a cryo-preserved military force ready to be awakened when needed, and kept on ice when NOT needed. -Chris Bruno > I do not see how the trillions of ruptured cells (from the micro- > shards of ice) constituting the resulting thawed mush of what once had > been a functioning system with trillions of parts can be put back > together. Until a method of preserving the exquisite micro (and > possibly also nano-scale) structures of the brain are developed > freezing an organ destroys it. Certain species can freeze and thaw > back out and be fine, but they have evolved blood containing anti- > freeze in it (which is highly toxic to humans by the way). I am sure > DARPA or some such funding agency must be looking at this for humans. > Cryogenic preservation must begin with figuring out how to bring the > temperature of the preserved tissue down to cryogenic temperatures > without so totally destroying the organ (or entire body) that it > becomes a case of Humpty Dumpty fell off a wall... > In the case of John Clark's brain... he won't care that the > information encoded in his brain has just been destroyed by the > process -- he paid 80 grand for -- meant to preserve it... because he > will have died (and won't miss that 80 grand either I guess) -Chris > > > In either case, duplicated John Clarks will still be rare... > > -- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) > Principal, High Performance Coders > Visiting Professor of Mathematics [email protected] > University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au > > Latest project: The Amoeba's Secret > (http://www.hpcoders.com.au/AmoebasSecret.html) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
