On 23 December 2014 at 10:03, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 23 December 2014 at 00:07, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Modern societies provide more potential freedom, for sure. I could
>> theoretically travel to almost any part of the world I desire and be there
>> having breakfast before Christmas.
>>
>> Do modern societies provide more real freedom? Consider the life of the
>> peasants under european medieval feudalism. The modern view on this part of
>> history is that peasants had much more free time to use as they pleased in
>> comparison to modern middle class workers.
>>
>> Consider even kids. They are less free than they ever were. These days,
>> their entire lives consist of structured activities (which is necessary to
>> accommodate their parents also highly structured lives).
>>
>
> I absolutely agree with you on this. I always pooh-pooh anyone who harks
> back to some mythical "golden age" of rustic simplicity and new age-ness,
> but I also agree that THIS isn't a golden age either. The awful thing is
> that this actually could be, but of course the system has been hijacked by
> a few ultra rich people ... "because they're worth it" ... while everyone
> else is stuck in the shoulders-to-the-wheel noses-to-the-grindstone to
> support them. So on that basis it's just medievalism wearing suits rather
> than crowns. Why is Apple Inc worth more than Sweden? Because the Swedes
> don't employ enough Third World slavery...
>
> And yet 50 years ago some of us were hoping for a technological utopia.
> Turns out it wasn't for everyone, just the lucky few. The rest of us (the
> "99%") get "bread and circuses".
>

Oh and I just learned (the Qi book of 1411 facts is wonderful!) that
Medieval peasants ate twice as many calories as the average person does
now. I assume that means (being QI) the average persons / peasant in the UK
rather than globally. Still, maybe it was a golden age after all...

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