On Monday, December 22, 2014 9:21:40 PM UTC, [email protected] wrote:
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> On Monday, December 22, 2014 6:13:59 PM UTC, John Clark wrote:
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>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2014  Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> > No one is denying that death results in oblivion. 
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>> Then what are we arguing about?
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>>> > But that is not the point.
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>> It isn't?!   
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>> > My claim was that no one has experienced oblivion. In common parlance, 
>>> we routinely say that everyone experiences death at the end of their lives. 
>>> Hence the distinction made between death and oblivion in this context.
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>> So this entire death vs oblivion debate has nothing to do with the nature 
>> of reality, it's about grammar and how one particular language out of the 
>> 7000 in use on this planet happens to use 2 words. 
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>> And as for the fear of death stuff, are we asked to believe that if you 
>> learned right now that tomorrow morning at 9am a firing squad was going to 
>> put several bullets into your brain you wouldn't be the slightest bit 
>> apprehensive and would go to bed tonight just as you always do and sleep 
>> like a baby without a care in the world?
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>>  John K Clark
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> iou'd have to read his posts rom the start, They exhibit some of th e 
> stupidest implausible claims a lot of people will ever see.  
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> sorry about that....I fell asleep midsentence. I was going to sum up 
> Bruce's spread of death depictions as one long basically would fail turning 
> test. But then Bruce does this runaway paragraph...running away with 
> himself with creaatve captures of fear. 
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So he goes from, max cady to Robert Burns in his ability empathy fear. 

He describes fear very well. but it's not the way I feel fear. People get 
it differently. One of my old pals...he absolutely fearless climbling, 
on motorcycles, in a car...but he one explained and anyway  well understood 
by then, being in a fist fight terrified him...he would beg he would cry. 
Despite the injuries aren't usually that bad, compared toi some i'd seen my 
mate  endure. 

In his case he'd learned to bluff real good. Good bluffers normally 
experience fear the way Brent described. Sounded plausible to me. the 
bluffer has to deliver his lines or his cold steely gaze as if ompletely 
calm. The bluffer knows in seconds whether he's puling it off or bas made a 
mistake. Bluffers have to be good at going into reverse damn quick. The 
bluff ontineus, but now its about bluffing that he just came in there to 
say sorry or whatever. 

Which if the bluffer made a mistake, that means the other guy is hardman. 
Which is the bluffers second blessing  if they reverse quicik enough. A 
hardman sees both bluffs, sees the fear, and goes from angry to bored. 
Bluffers aren't interesting people. Unless after all that bluff...there's 
something special. My pal was special....a decent person. A gentleman. 

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