On 03 Jan 2015, at 07:17, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:



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Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/2/2015 9:05 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List wrote:
Even if the word "exists" has no use because everything exists, it seems important to know why everything exists. How is it that a thing can exist? What I suggest is that a grouping defining what is contained within is an existent entity. Then, you can use this to try and answer the other question of "Why is there something rather than nothing?".

If everything exists, what doesn't exist?  Nothing.

If nothing existed; would it remain nothing?

Careful not confusing "Nothing exists" and "Nothing exist".

In the first case, something exists. But not necessarily in the second case.

Of course not everything exists a priori. There is no divisors of zero different from zero, nor is there a cat-dog, nor is there a triangle with four sides.

Then with mechanism, we can, assume that what exist are simply the numbers 0, s(0), s(s(0)), etc. Then all the rest, God included, is part of a persistent number hallucination, but "hallucination" should not be used as "unreal", because the hallucination is real, and is what makes our lives, and there is no reason to dismiss them at all.

The math makes this clear too by distinguish the

ontical existence  Ex P(x)  and only 0, s(0), ... exists in that sense

and the many and quite variate rich phenomenological existence: whcih are obtained with the modal points of view, like []Ex[]P(x), with [] being the box of self-reference logic and its many intensional variants (which distinguish basicall all science (biology, psychology, physics, even theology).


Bruno









-Chris

Brent
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