On 1/19/2015 10:40 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:


On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


    On 18 Jan 2015, at 20:42, meekerdb wrote:

    On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
    With the definition you gave in a preceding post, and with which I agree, 
everyone
    believe in some God. The question is always: which one? And where it does 
come
    from, and why.

    All philosophers and most scientists have some idea about what is 
fundamental
    reality - but (unless they are theologians) they recognize it is just a 
working
    hypothesis.  I'd say most people don't even think about it enough to have a
    definite opinion.

    Well, it might be about time. Many people don't think to this, because we 
abandonned
    the subject to professional brainwashers since a long time.
    Most people are just not interested in fundamental science. Usually people 
like to
    take things for granted, and dislike doubting everything, as Descartes knew 
already
    we have to do if we search truth.


The more I think about it, the more I doubt that these subjects were simply "abandoned" in an innocent fashion. The problem is that beliefs about fundamental reality are at the foundations of political power, and the powerful know this, even if only intuitively.

Of course, religion was invented as a socializing tool. God watched everybody before Big Brother had the techology. God answered all questions and defined right and wrong.


When atheist politicians say that we must respect the Vatican, they are agreeing on some border of power.

?? What "atheist politicians". In the U.S. an admitted atheist couldn't get elected dog-catcher. Atheists are the only group less trusted than Muslims.

They are saying, ok we can't have absolute power but we can negotiate peace with the Vatican.

The subtlety is that there is now a very powerful religion which has no name but is profoundly materialistic. I think you intuit its existence, and were perhaps a victim of it, by the suppression of your thesis.

It's the Illuminati?  Richard Dawkins and Dan Dennett are out to get you?

Brent

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