On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 10:13 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 1/19/2015 10:40 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On 18 Jan 2015, at 20:42, meekerdb wrote: >> >> On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> With the definition you gave in a preceding post, and with which I agree, >> everyone believe in some God. The question is always: which one? And where >> it does come from, and why. >> >> >> All philosophers and most scientists have some idea about what is >> fundamental reality - but (unless they are theologians) they recognize it >> is just a working hypothesis. I'd say most people don't even think about >> it enough to have a definite opinion. >> >> >> Well, it might be about time. Many people don't think to this, because >> we abandonned the subject to professional brainwashers since a long time. >> Most people are just not interested in fundamental science. Usually >> people like to take things for granted, and dislike doubting everything, as >> Descartes knew already we have to do if we search truth. >> > > The more I think about it, the more I doubt that these subjects were > simply "abandoned" in an innocent fashion. The problem is that beliefs > about fundamental reality are at the foundations of political power, and > the powerful know this, even if only intuitively. > > > Of course, religion was invented as a socializing tool. God watched > everybody before Big Brother had the techology. God answered all questions > and defined right and wrong. > It is a reasonable hypothesis, but nobody knows this for sure. I don't think it's the whole story. Another aspect might be the need for meaning, especially in tragic situations. I find this quite interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_cognition#Death_ritual > > > > When atheist politicians say that we must respect the Vatican, they are > agreeing on some border of power. > > > ?? What "atheist politicians". In the U.S. an admitted atheist couldn't > get elected dog-catcher. Atheists are the only group less trusted than > Muslims. > Right. They exist in Europe. But pick whichever religious sensibilities you like, my point was that public belief = power. I think you might agree. > > > They are saying, ok we can't have absolute power but we can negotiate > peace with the Vatican. > > The subtlety is that there is now a very powerful religion which has no > name but is profoundly materialistic. I think you intuit its existence, and > were perhaps a victim of it, by the suppression of your thesis. > > > It's the Illuminati? Richard Dawkins and Dan Dennett are out to get you? > Come on, that's silly. It's the alien reptilians of course. Telmo. > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
