On 22 Jan 2015, at 10:27, Kim Jones wrote:
On 22 Jan 2015, at 6:07 pm, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
On 1/21/2015 10:09 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
But the laws surely are not random. Laws cannot be random. Look,
the universe is a setup job. Either we are simulated and the
limitation to our minds is intentional or "we" are enjoying a ride
of some sort where we are real and the ride is the simulation. I
go for that interpretation - that's comp.
ISTM that in comp, computation is fundamental.
Well, number is fundamental.
Exactly. In the TOE which has been chosen, we can say that only the
(natural) numbers exists, and only the laws of addition and
multiplication are assumed. Computations, prime numbers, ... are
defined notions.
Computation is a way of extracting reality from number. I see it
like that. Computation is a way of seeing. A form of perception. How
numbers see each other. I am equally baffled by statements like this
as you.
We can extract the appearance of reality. Computation is a way of
dreaming. It is like seeing, but the physical seeing is when the dream
are coherent (co-consistent) enough.
Everything true is equally real, just not equally fundamental.
Yes
All true relations are considered real.
Yes
Provable relations are both real and believed and there are sets of
belief that are related so as to constitute the consciousness of
persons.
I would say yes. Persons are constellations of beliefs. Just as the
body is a constellation of other discreet entities, persons are made
of modules of beliefs that give rise to their perception (as
emergent quality of comsciousness or as comsciousness itself). This
can be checked by changing someone's perception of something and you
will instantly see their belief about that thing change as well. K
OK.
Bruno
Brent
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