Chris, forget Goebbels, think instead of Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals (your team) and yes I know it well, My guess is you were trying for Alinsky's #4, which says' Ridicule is man's most potent weapon, there's no defense against it." But it didn't work upon me-so far, that is. So it must be #6, select your target, freeze it, and don't let up." Alinsky was great. On the nature of Islam, think of when Stalin and Hitler were buddies with their pact of steel (1939) and knowing that whatever bastards the democracies were then, nazis and commies were far more murderous.
The Muslims are victims of their laws (sharia). They are not baddies because of us, anymore than the Central African Republic is in trouble because of French and Belgian colonialism in 1890. Think mass murder highlighted only in Conrad's Heart of Darkness. Maybe 8 million worked to death over 20 years. Its almost 100 years later, and I won't hate the Modern Belgians for it. Let Islam own its own failures-they are not children. -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 2:03 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 5:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? You are justifying the hatred and aggressions by Islamists against the rest of us. This is a big mistake. One counter example of Islamist murders against Christian Filipinos, Buddhist Thais, Hindus in India and Kashmir, Islamist aggression in Ceylon, in Sudan, in Nigeria, etc. These nations have zero to do with western imperialists. Here, at least, there's no cause and effect. If Algerian murderers in Paris kill magazine editors and Jews, who are they avenging? Is it Muslim honor, the Algerians, Palestinians, Syrians, the US president's negotiation with Iran because they are Shia vs ISIS Sunnis??? You make excuses for them to justify their actions. In essence you support them and their actions, This is fine with me. Each to their own. A lying ugly response that is straight out of Goebel’s recipe in his Nazi cookbook of how to do propaganda. You make evil insinuations about my motives and attempt to equate any opposition to your mad desire for a clash of civilizations with support for the terrorists. That is both an evil and a dishonest thing to do… loser. Here is an appropriate Goebels quote that describes exactly what you are doing: “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” The big difference is that he was the Minister of propaganda of an ascendant Nazi regime, while you are merely some psychopath couch potato wannabe warrior pining to see some more shock and awe on light up television screen. A fucking evil clown is what you are Mitch -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Jan 24, 2015 10:02 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] I am uncomfortable with the plaster of "evil" myself, since what it means to everyone is too vague. I would define the Jihadis as aggressive, malign, expansionism. Did western nations do this until recently? Hell, yes. The point is not to paper over the aggression done to expand the faith and enable a caliphate. Not to empower these aggressors, these new colonials. What about remediations for all this, I have a couple of vague ideas on what may work, circulated here before. Baring this or some other ideas, I suppose we all must play the hand we're dealt. Perhaps if we stopped invading their lands… and bombing them into freedom… torturing them into adopting Western “democratic values” they might not hate us as much as they do. We are witnessing the bumper crop sowed by the neocon inspired operation Iraqi freedom… ISIS is the bastard child of the last generational war. More bombs… and certainly a clash of civilizations end game is not a solution; it is just a horribly expensive recipe for continuous war. A cui bono? Not me, and that’s for fucking sure! Excuse me, if I piss all over your sick puppy, pathological desire for eternal war! (you who has never ever seen what war is up close and personal… you demand other people go do the killing and the dying for you, why are you still sitting on the couch? Sally forth and ride off to fight you own damn crusade… coward! You neocon bastards… have already murdered hundreds of thousands of human beings, you have already prescribed the solution of bombing people to freedom, how many more people must die in your neocon nightmare before the world wakes up and shake you all off… in the same manner as when someone realizes they have body lice. What would really help this earth is for some effective neocon delousing powder… it needs to be liberally applied all across the Anglo-American world (and in Israel and much of the EU) You had your time, hundreds of thousands of people died as a result… and you left the world with the parting gift of psychotic blowback in the form of ISIS. You’re neocon centered world view is bankrupt and devoid of substantive actual understanding arising from reality based perception. Go do your own killing and dying, leave the rest of us out of it… this world of ours does not need yet another chickenhawk couch potato psycho-general. -Chris -----Original Message----- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Jan 24, 2015 3:37 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 10:58 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 12:08 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, John, Chris P. is invoking imaginary Muslims who do not really exist in > fact, but he desperately, wants to believe they do exist in real life. Chris > P. is like many people, including world leaders like BHO who ideologically(?) > will never concede that the majority of the Uma*, are fanatics, or silent in > the face of fanaticism. Why are these folks this way? My best guess, is that > they see that: a) the radical islamists are winning. And they'd better not speak up just in case. b) the ruling classes in the west, are weak-minded, or hungry for Islamic oil monies. So thus are cowards. c) Allah, might be on the side of the jihadists, so they, the uma, had better say nothing. I think western progressive liberals fail to speak out against a evil force that threatens their very core values for none of the above reasons, I think they do it because they've been sold a bill of goods, the idea that a criticism of any religion means that you are a racist (even though no religion is a race) and thus a terrible human being. I don't know exactly how they did it but somehow the world's religious franchises, and especially Islam, managed to pull off the most successful advertising campaign in history, corporations can only dream of having PR that good! Imagine how great it would be for the company if people felt that anybody who criticizes McDonalds must, by the very definition, be a racist. John you are mistaken in framing it in terms of good versus evil, when what is driving behavior is, if anything ignorance. Ignorance and the types of social cultural results that ignorance promotes is the real underlying issue. It has been -- quite correctly IMO -- said that ignorance is the tap root of evil; evil is ignorance manifest. -Chris John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. 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