Descartes, who first defined mechanism, believed that all animal and human behavior (with the exception of thought) could be explained via mechanism. Despite living in the 1600s, he was even able to imagine that synthesized speech could be invented. However, one thing he could not imagine any machine doing was responding intelligently to whatever is said in its presence. Therefore he was led to dualism and the belief that animals lacked souls.
The Turing Test is based exactly on Descartes's criterion: a machine which can respond intelligently to whatever is said in its presence. To pass Turing's test requires indistinguishability between a human and an artificial machine linguistic behavior. This requires judges must have no greater than a 50% chance of selecting the machine from the human contestant. I believe that is the machine's linguistic behavior is indistinguishable, from any and all potential judges, for any reasonable length of test (as long as the judge wanted), then the easiest way to construct such a machine would for it be actually possess human-level if not superior intelligence. Jason On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 4:24 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: > I must admit I have never been able to see much point in the TT, but I > think it probably made sense in the context of the times, as a "first cut" > at defining AI. But as Alberto says we shouldn't have deified it or reified > it (or whatever). > > On 1 February 2015 at 10:43, Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> The Turing test is one of these over- overrated things that modern people >> worship. A child may not pass the test. And even an adolescent. and a >> simple program such Eliza could pass it in some way. And it means >> absolutely nothing. >> >> How modern people keep attached to myths fabricated and neglect that it >> is obviously myths was something beyond my understanding until I realized >> that men are ever the same everywhere. >> >> >> 2015-01-31 10:23 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>: >> >>> >>> On 28 Jan 2015, at 10:52, LizR wrote: >>> >>> Machines (Humanly Constructed Artifacts) Cannot Think >>> <http://edge.org/response-detail/26060> >>> <http://edge.org/memberbio/arnold_trehub> >>> Arnold Trehub <http://edge.org/memberbio/arnold_trehub> >>> >>> >>> >>> Well, I have an answer to this one, at least. Humans are machines >>> >>> >>> >>> We don't know that. Of course it is a good default hypothesis as we >>> don't have evidences for the contrary (except the wave collapse, but we >>> don't have evidence for a wave collapse, actually). >>> >>> >>> - are, in fact, humanly constructed artifacts - hence whether machines >>> can think is the same as whether humans can think. >>> >>> >>> Well, obviously, Turing addressed the question of human made machine ... >>> by hand. he was a bit naive as he thought that it would take 50 years for a >>> machine to pass the test (if I remember well). >>> >>> But the test is a bit ambiguous. And if it does not last long, I can >>> argue that a non thinking machine could pass it too. In fact Turing's >>> approach here is a way to avoid the "hard problem of consciousness" (which >>> is just the antic mind-body problem). >>> >>> I am glad people learn more about Turing who was a great guy. Like >>> Copeland and Turing's mother, I am far from sure he commit suicide. >>> It would be nice if Emil Post, Kleene, Church and others were also >>> celebrate. The movie "imitation game" does not seem to mention the main >>> discovery of Turing: the universal machine/numbers alias the (universal) >>> computer. 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