On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 3:23 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: > On 1 February 2015 at 13:59, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> So if it's not behavior how do you tell the difference between smart >> people and stupid people? >> > > > In that case it's behaviour. But Turing's question was "can a machine > think?" >
So the Turing Test can determine if something is smart but not if it can think, but if you can be smart without thinking then what's the point of thinking? > > and I don't see that the TT can give a definite answer. > The Turing Test is not perfect but it's extremely valuable nevertheless because it's all we've got. > > ELIZA can fool people into thinking it's thinking, A stupid person can convince another stupid person that he's smart, it would be much more difficult for a stupid person to convince a smart person he's smart but it wouldn't be impossible if the stupid person knew the smart person's weaknesses, such as religion or greed. > while other people don't see becoming chess champion of the world as > proof of thought. > John McCarthy invented the LISP and ALGOL computer languages and was one of the pioneers of AI, he complained that "as soon as it works nobody calls it AI anymore". John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
