On 27 March 2015 at 01:02, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote:
> Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> 2015-03-26 12:13 GMT+01:00 Bruce Kellett <[email protected] >> Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> 2015-03-26 8:05 GMT+01:00 Bruce Kellett >> >> This comes back to my original question: since all possible >> programs >> are run by the dovetailer, how do we ensure that conscious >> beings >> see an ordered and predictable world. Only a set of measure >> zero >> among all possible programs would give that result. >> >> Yes, it seems to me, we should see white noise, but maybe a >> selection attribute must be in play... like an anthropic argument. >> >> >> Anthropic arguments are not going to work with computationalism >> because there is no basis on which you can assume underlying >> deterministic physical laws. >> >> It seems to me it works relatively.... consciousness like ours can only >> experiment worls ordered like ours... even if almost all dreams/worlds >> produced by mathematics are not like that and do not allow of consciousness >> like ours, as you can only experience worlds like ours, it's no magic that >> you do... like with Quantum Immortality, you cannot experience being dead, >> so no wonder you find yourself alive, even if in almost all worlds you're >> dead (or not existing at all). >> > > But we do not need the degree of order that we observe. We could survive > perfectly well with a reasonable number of miracles -- laws that don't > quite work always. And there are vastly more possible worlds of that sort > than those that are strictly deterministic. The measure problem gets you > every time. > > Possibly, but how do you prove that's more likely to be experienced than regularity? Do miracles require more or less bits to specify than "same old, same old" ? Could the nature of consciousness be such that the most likely continuer of a given observer moment is the one that has the least available difference from the previous one (in some sense - is it possible to do some maths on this? (must dig out TON....again....)) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
