Brent and Bruno: your discussion (Not even related to the title of "2 different forms of entropy" at all) lit an insight into my aging mind:
My "agnosticism" is relative. I 'believe' (=have faith in) certain facets and exercise my so called agnosticism only upon them, e.g. existence (whatever that may be), the "rest" of the world beyond our present knowledge, some diversity (varieties) in seemingly similar species (not restricted to living ones) and many more. 'God' (matter) included. I have the weakness of using my (present?) mind-work (logic?) upon the world entirety no matter how much I negate further know-how into it. Should I change my agnostic 'philosophy'? On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 18 Nov 2014, at 19:13, meekerdb wrote: > > Physics has become so abstract and mathematical that it tempts > philosophers to conclude that mathematics is all there is. An interesting > question is whether a complete mathematical description constitutes the > thing described? If you had a complete, precise description of a world and > how it works, would it add anything to also say, "It exists"? > > > What do you mean by complete description? There is already no complete > description of the arithmetical reality. > > I think your question depends on what you assume to exist at the > conceptual base. > > It is easier to define the physical reality by the universal > machine/number observable, than to define the universal machine by its > implementations in a physical reality. > > I don't believe in the God Matter. > > I don't disbelieve in it either. I am agnostic. > > It is up to the materialist to explain how matter succeeds in making some > universal machine feeling themselves more real than their cousins in > arithmetic, notably those living in the diophantine emulation of the > rational approximation of the quantum vacuums (say). > > Primitive matter is to computationalism what Bohmian hidden variable are > to Everett. Adding complication to avoid a larger ontology or larger > epistemology. > > Ah! Universal numbers get that tendency to want to be the only one loved > by God, to be Unique! But then come the Little Sister, and well, the hard > and long path toward the secret understanding of God Unconditional Love. > Oops! > > Bruno > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
