On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 5:40 PM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> wrote: > > > You are saying that step 3 is trivial, so you admit that it is correct >> > > No. The first 2 steps are trivialities dressed up in pompous language, but > in step 3 Bruno doesn't know what he's talking about, and I mean that > literally not figuratively. The entire point of the "proof" is to show > something about the nature of personal identity, and yet Bruno insists on > throwing around unattributed personal pronouns like a drunken sailor throws > around money. When this is pointed out Bruno starts talking about "The 1P", > but there is no such thing as "The 1P" there is only "A 1P" Which 1P is he > talking about? Bruno doesn't know and so can't tell us. Then Bruno starts > talking about a diary, but I don't think ink on dried wood pulp is a person > and so it has no first second or third person interpretation. Bruno very > literally doesn't know what he's talking about. > It doesn't matter what the diary is. What matters is that there is some recording of the sequence of events that each individual experiences from their perspective -- and memories stored in the brain work just fine, and are surely related to the concept of personal identity. There is the man who remembers being in Brussels, and is now in Washington. There is the man who remembers being in Brussels and is now in Moscow. Both men share the exact same memores prior to Brussels. Both man remember not being able to predict if they would see Washington or Moscow after the teleportation. This is all you are asked to accept. The diaries are precisely a way to talk easily about this topic without the ambiguities introduced by simple pronouns, but it doesn't have to mean a pen and paper diary and I think you know that. What don't you accept here? > > And then Bruno says that if I reject the importance of his thought > experiment I must also reject Quantum Mechanics in general and the Many > Worlds Interpretation in particular because it is basically the same thing. > Not because they are the same thing, but because the reason you claim to reject step 3 (pronoun confusion), if correct, would also be grounds for rejecting the MWI. Because the MWI also explains quantum weirdness by proposing that all alternatives happen, but your 1P only perceives one of the paths, and this is where randomness arises from (just as before the duplication). > I patiently explain more than once (or twice) why this is not the case but > the only rebuttal I get is that Quentin The Horse Fucker calls me "Liar > Clark". > > And then Bruno says the ability to make correct predictions has something > to do with the feeling of personal identity continuity and I think that's > ridiculous and is just a matter of remembering who you were yesterday. > What is the difference between "the feeling of personal identity continuity" and "remembering who you were yesterday"? > And that is why I stopped reading after step 3, and after reading Bruno's > posts for the last several years my conviction that I made the correct > decision has only increased. > > >> > Now you can proceed and tell us what you think of the rest of the >> argument. >> > > One does not need to eat the entire egg to know it is bad. > You don't strike me as the kind of man that would use common clichés to justify a scientific position. Telmo. > > John K Clark > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
