On 19 Apr 2015, at 05:13, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 5:57 PM, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote: > pls. tellme: what should we call 'information'? Information is a measure of surprise, and it turns out that surprise is not continuous but comes in lumps. And we understand quite a bit about information, in fact information is the only thing we do understand. I agree. The problem is that the term information is also used, in the everyday language, for "meaning" of some sentences. This is not directly related to Shannon or algorithmic information theory, but more on semantics, model theory, and other theories of "meaning" (usually less well know by the general public).. JM: Looks like "I" agreed. - Nope. - I would leave out from general meanings the strictly human element of surprise. Information may have a static content, well known before you may count it as a surprise. BTW I did not restrain my contemplation to Shannon's or other algorithmic theory. Nor any other 'human' theories for that matter. Nor to the dynamic process to 'format' - "in" into sthg. I was asking about a term used without restrictions in most languages. I know: we can only 'think' with our 'human' mind, but we can try. On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 1:24 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > > > *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: > everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Bruno Marchal > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2015 8:48 AM > *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: Food for thought > > > > > > On 19 Apr 2015, at 05:13, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 5:57 PM, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > pls. tellme: what should we call 'information'? > > > > Information is a measure of surprise, and it turns out that surprise is > not continuous but comes in lumps. And we understand quite a bit about > information, in fact information is the only thing we do understand. > > > > I agree. > > > > The problem is that the term information is also used, in the everyday > language, for "meaning" of some sentences. This is not directly related to > Shannon or algorithmic information theory, but more on semantics, model > theory, and other theories of "meaning" (usually less well know by the > general public).. > > > > Also the term has the meaning in the computer science/technology/sector of > anything that is transmitted, or stored. Often the technology > infrastructure is unaware of and even uninterested in the “content” of the > “information” it moves about and stores in vast datacenter repositories. It > is just bits; and the systems are concerned only with the accurate storage > & and retrieval of those bits as well as the correct routing and delivery > of those bits as desired by the processes running within those systems. As > far as such systems are concerned all the bits being managed, stored, > moved, transformed, re-stored, cached, and whatever other operations are > performed all of this is “information”. > > Chris > > > > Bruno > > > > > > > > John K Clark > > > > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
