From: John Mikes <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: SciAm predicts strong future for renewable energy
How many people die for the conventional energy production? I would not believe
the statistical figments. Are e.g. all those people included who died from
diseases upon pollution from burning? Can anybody predict what kind of
(Fukushima-type) disasters may occur in the foreseeable future and their toll?
The environmental toll of hydroelectric construction and propagation? Who knows
the radiation-induced toll if Solar energy steps up with all the new metallic
products for the cells? The 'serving' industries must be accountable in a
statistical toll of the product industry! Did the statistics include the
preparatory processes for the proper energy production, e.g. transportation,
drilling/mining/fracking, metallurgy and the extensive plastis production(s)
needed for the energy plant operations?
(Usually the electric car propaganda articles omit the environmental toll of
the electricity-production, only the reduced 'oil' need is harangued).
I find the term "electric car propaganda articles" rather curious. Do you mean
to imply, by framing it in this manner, that promotion of the use of electric
cars, or extolling their benefits is "propaganda"? Can you provide any actual
substantive evidence that supports this position of yours?Chris
JM
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 2:13 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
<[email protected]> wrote:
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 6:55 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: SciAm predicts strong future for renewable energy On Wed, Apr 29,
2015 LizR <[email protected]> wrote:
> Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, Fukushima, Sellafield, Hiroshima, Bikini
atoll, Marshall Islands etc. (OK, maybe I shouldn't have been making jokes
about this...)
That's fine I like jokes, but lets see how many people die to produce a
trillion kilowatt hours of electricity for various energy sources: I like jokes
as well… we have something in common. I also like honesty. The 90 figure you
claim for nuclear is willfully ignoring the full scope of the long term impact
of that accident. Quoting directly from the 2005 WHO report on Chernobyl
accident “5 SEPTEMBER 2005 | GENEVA - A total of up to 4000 people could
eventually die of radiation exposure from the Chernobyl nuclear power plant
(NPP) accident nearly 20 years ago, an international team of more than 100
scientists has concluded.” The Russian, Ukrainian, Belarussian Academies of
science have all published mortality figures are by the far higher than the
figure of 4000 that the WHO has settled on. For example: data, based on Belarus
national cancer statistics, predicts approximately 270,000 cancers and 93,000
fatal cancer cases caused by Chernobyl.Chris For coal 170.000 people die. For
oil 36,000 people die For biofuel 24,000 people die For natural gas 4000 people
die For hydroelectric 1400 people die For solar 440 people die For wind 140
people die For nuclear 90 people die. John K Clark --
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