On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 11:55 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:

> I believe satellites and weather stations give a lot of samples of
> atmospheric temperature (and other properties, I assume).
>

Yes, I am not questioning these readings. I believe that 2010 was warmer
than any year in the previous century, etc.

What I am asking is for a robust statistical analysis that shows that it is
sufficiently plausible that a temperature increase trend is indeed
happening. I am just behaving in the exact same way that any proper
scientist would behave when confronted with an hypothesis driven by a set
of observations. All serious journals require it. So why not provide it?

This, for me, is further evidence that the field of climate research has
gone pathological. In non-pathological scientific research, such a request
is seen as perfectly normal and not as an attack. In fact, such requests
help the cause. If the trend is real, they will only help make the case
stronger. If you care so much, why don't you join me in insisting on rigour?

Don't you see a problem with trying to demonstrate a trend with a chart
that is pre-sorted by increasing temperature?


> Why is it hard to believe that we can make an estimate of mean global
> temperatures based on such measurements plus observations of phenomena like
> shoreline erosion, glacier retreat, methane outgassing, sea level rise,
> changes in storm intensity and frequency, thinning of arctic ice, etc?
>
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