Telmo, some long long time ago I was facetious about the climate change (lately I got more converted) and asked: how was the study of a substantial climate change established - say - over the past 30b years? - I meant: ALL of them? How was it for 'other' galaxies - star systems? I just did not want to draw conclusions upon the present millisecond of our little star 'Sun" and it's stepchild Earth. My recent (limited?) conversion occurred by acknowledging the human industrial misdeeds over the past ~200 or so years realizing how that might have hurt the bio-balance of our planet. I still don't know how to think about larger cosmic volumes and timeframes.
Regards John Mikes On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 3:40 AM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 11:55 PM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I believe satellites and weather stations give a lot of samples of >> atmospheric temperature (and other properties, I assume). >> > > Yes, I am not questioning these readings. I believe that 2010 was warmer > than any year in the previous century, etc. > > What I am asking is for a robust statistical analysis that shows that it > is sufficiently plausible that a temperature increase trend is indeed > happening. I am just behaving in the exact same way that any proper > scientist would behave when confronted with an hypothesis driven by a set > of observations. All serious journals require it. So why not provide it? > > This, for me, is further evidence that the field of climate research has > gone pathological. In non-pathological scientific research, such a request > is seen as perfectly normal and not as an attack. In fact, such requests > help the cause. If the trend is real, they will only help make the case > stronger. If you care so much, why don't you join me in insisting on rigour? > > Don't you see a problem with trying to demonstrate a trend with a chart > that is pre-sorted by increasing temperature? > > >> Why is it hard to believe that we can make an estimate of mean global >> temperatures based on such measurements plus observations of phenomena like >> shoreline erosion, glacier retreat, methane outgassing, sea level rise, >> changes in storm intensity and frequency, thinning of arctic ice, etc? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
