On 11 May 2015, at 18:27, John Clark wrote:

On Sun, May 10, 2015  Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:

 <sigh>

<burp>

> You confuse the notion of computation discovered by the mathematicians,

In other words simplified approximations that describe how matter and the laws of physics can make real computations.

You would get a bad notes to any exam in computer science. You like to cite Turing, but have never read it.




> with the notion of physical implementation of computation.

In other words real computations that produce real outputs.

I guess you are still advocate of the devil. Not a good one.



I am not confused, I fully understand that those are two different things.

Yes; eventually one is described by p, []p ... and the others are described by []p & p, []p & <>t, []p & <>t & p.

Comp explains why there are different, and this by assuming (in the metaphysical theory, or theology) no more than Robinson arithmetic. It looks like you do assume physicalism, which might not help you to understand what we talk about. You need to understand that the modern post-Turing notion of computation does not assume anything in physics. It needs to assume nor more than Robinson Arithmetic.

If anyone is willing to play the role of candid, I can explain all details.

Bruno






 John K Clark



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