On 17 May 2015 at 11:44, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote:

> Telmo Menezes wrote:
>
>> On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Bruce Kellett
>>     So you think that Darwinian evolution produced intelligent zombies,
>>     and then computationalism infused consciousness?
>>
>> No. What I am saying is that consciousness is not a plausible target for
>> gradual evolution for the following reasons:
>>
>> 1) There is no evolutionary advantage to it, intelligent zombies could do
>> equally well. Every single behaviour that each one of us has, as seen for
>> the outside, could be performed by intelligent zombies;
>>
>
> Do you find it an advantage to be conscious in your everyday life? Do you
> really think that your partner and/or children are zombies?


I'm not particularly taking sides here but it would be nice if you actually
answered the point that was made, rather than this rhetorical/emotional
stuff.

>
> I can see that computationalism might well have difficulties accommodating
>> a gradual evolutionary understanding of almost anything -- after all, the
>> dovetailer is there in Platonia before anything physical ever appears. So
>> how can consciousness evolve gradually?
>>
>
This is the tired old misunderstanding of the concept of a block universe.
It's as though Minkowski never existed.

>

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