On 12 Jun 2015, at 22:24, John Mikes wrote:
Samiya, thank you for (now the first time) you moved out of your calm.
(I did it!). Then you concluded with the habituel scripture-loving
phrase
upon which Brent had a brilliant reply
S: A person's concern for their own future should be reason enough
to urgently explore the scriptures!
Br: No, it's a reason to get rid of scriptures and pay attention to
people and the world.
We agree on this. It is a very good point. No need to get rid of
scriptures, though. It might help later to understand why scriptures
keep the attention away from people and world.
It is the same with the brain, at some level. We tend to put a high
price to our scriptures in the brain, and that might filter the
person's consciousness.
At this point, this is only a suggestive analogy, but the phenomenon
might be the same at different level of description. Scriptures and
personal identities are memes trying to survive, and they are
different from the people reading them and from the experiences. Truth
is behind all texts.
Bruno
John M
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:17 PM, Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com
> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 12:44 AM, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com>
wrote:
If this "John" is me:
to keep my reply short (concentrate on Islam) Why should I study
scripts the followers of which behead, flog, stone, dismember live
humans and claim full credit for such cruelty in the afterlife?
briefly (concentrate on science) The same reason why people should
study the sciences the followers (scientists / engineers /
technicians / governments / military / businesses) of which
experiment with, damage, kill live humans and animals, destroy
ecosystems, etc. and claim full credit for being leaders of human
civilisation!
A reasonable person should run away from such inhumanity, especially
after our centuries of enlightenment.
'our centuries of enlightenment'? really? creating deadly weapons
of mass destruction and using them, poisoning the planet and
creating imbalance in the ecosystem, rendering entire species
extinct, toying with the weather, ... enlightenment??? and where can
we run away from it all? except in trying to find meaning in this
suffering and trial?
A person's concern for their own future should be reason enough to
urgently explore the scriptures!
Samiya
Thanks for reflecting
John M
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 11:22 PM, Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com
> wrote:
John,
I wonder if you were studying the scriptures / ideologies as well? I
get the impression that you were studying the human condition: the
results of (mis)interpretations and (mis)applications of religions /
ideologies and naturally being revolted by it!
Throughout history, humans have pursued wealth, power, pleasures:
desires which within moral limits are permissible and constructive
for the evolution of society, yet humans have mostly transgressed
all bounds and have caused much suffering. What humans don't seem to
understand is that their actions are essentially self-destructive.
According to my study of the scriptures, time and again, whenever
human civilisations advanced to the point of self-destruction, the
Most Compassionate, True God has intervened, first by sending His
Messengers and His Scriptures to warn humans about their self-
destructive actions, and then saving humanity by wiping out those
criminals who were bent upon destroying the world.
If, for a while, you can suspend the notion that we are the most
advanced that humans have ever been, and the notion that God is a
terrible, heartless person that people imagine; perhaps a (re)read
of the scriptures will help you realise that God is indeed the Most
Kind and Most Loving, and enable you to appreciate His Commandments
as those which guide humans to protect themselves from harm, lead to
better their condition and enable them to build a beautiful future!
Our world is also advancing towards self-destruction, all in the
name of progress, and we are setting humanity up for much harm and
suffering. I believe that since the last Messenger (Mohammad) and
the last Scripture (Quran) have arrived, now the time for humanity
'brief stay' on Earth is coming towards its end. People of many
faiths, including Muslims, are awaiting the arrival of the Anti-
Christ / Beast. It is stated in the Quran: And when (is) fulfilled
the word against them, We will bring forth for them a creature from
the earth speaking to them, that the people were, of Our Signs, not
certain. [http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/27/82/ ]
However, as each one of us is in pledge for our own beliefs and
deeds, so there is still hope for salvation and eternal bliss! God
promises to help and guide those who WILL faith and submit to God's
guidance.
Samiya
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:12 AM, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote:
Samiya:
I was learning about Communism (30s and 50s) and I disliked it
because of unjust cruelty against certain people. (Rakosi, Stalin,
Mao, Pol Pot etc.)
I was learning about Nazism (40s) and I dislliked it because of
unjust cruelty against certain people. (Hitler, Skin-Heads, Szalasi,
etc.)
I am learning about Islam (10s) and I dislike it because of unjust
cruelty against certain people. (IS and Saudi beheadings, etc.)
In my studies I also learned about Catholicism and I disliked it
becuase the unjust (dogmatic?) cruelty against certain people in the
Inquisition etc.
I learned about Judaism and disliked it because unjust cruelty
against women. It also invoked the cruelty of anti-semites against
themselves.
I did not learn enough about Hinduism and Buddhism to dislike them,
too.
I dislike the "new slaverism" (=capitalism) and "new feudalism" (=
global misunderstanding of what may be a democracy).
JM
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Samiya Illias
<samiyaill...@gmail.com> wrote:
I suppose you can call it that :)
People on this list have different assumptions, prejudices,
misgivings, queries and (dis)interest level in Islam and the
practice of Muslims. Just presenting the original document for any
who might want to check for themselves.
Actually I was a bit hesitant sharing but then I thought that some
will object anyway.
Samiya
On 09-Jun-2015, at 6:56 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com
> wrote:
Doing Dawa? Interesting.
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Subject: Quran Audio
A good resource for listening to Quran Recitation in Arabic plus
Translation for anyone interested in listening to he Quran: http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/
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