On 23 Jun 2015, at 02:02, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> the question, contrary to what you say has been given precisely.
We ask to the 1-you, about
If "you" has been duplicated there is nothing "1" about it,
There is "1" about all of them.
there is no such thing as "THE" 1-you. And who is Bruno Marchal
going to ask, the guy in Washington or the guy in Moscow? .
Both. They both both confirm the P(coffee) = 1 made in Helsinki. They
both confirm P(only one city) = 1 made in Helsinki.
> its unique 1-you
If "you" has been duplicated explain why it is still unique.
It *feels* unique, for the simple reason that each copies access only
the diaries that the Helsinki guy took with him, and that in each city
they don't feel what the doppelganger feels.
> It is unclear because *you* equivocate the 1 and 3 view only.
John Clark has no idea what that means.
You stay out of the boxes after the duplication, when you know that
whatever you become among the W and M guys, you can only be one of
them from the 1-view, and that the question is about that 1p
experience, as see from the 1p view, and not some 3p external view.
>> That's because you refuse to state what that mysterious question
is.
> It is in the poists and in he paper,
And Bruno Marchal *STILL* refuses to repeat that mysterious
question here.
The question is, in Helsinki, where do you expect to feel to be after
pushing the button. I have repeat this many times.
John Clark theorizes it's because it contains wall to wall personal
pronouns and is about a thousand word longs with a question mark at
the end; but of course John Clark can't be certain of this until
John Clark actually sees the question.
This looks like pathetic hand waving.
> and you are the only one having a problem, but I think you fake it.
People often pretend to understand something when they really don't,
but why would John Clark pretend not to understand something if John
Clark really did understand it?
Because all what is said is easily verifiable, once you stop
equivocate the 1p views and the 3p views on the 1p views.
> It is the 1-you, about its unique future 1-you.
Who's future 1-you is Bruno Marchal talking about?
All of them, or better each of them.
And why is "its" unique if "you" has been duplicated?
Because each brain which have been reconstituted have only access to
one copy.
> It is quite simple (as we assume comp
John Clark don't assume "comp" or any of Bruno's baby talk.
This says it all about your attitude.
> The question was asked of the man in Helsinki about what he will
felt in the future.
That question has the personal pronoun "he" in it so the answer
depends on what "he" means:
1) If "he" means Bruno Marchal then "he" will experience Moscow AND
Washington.
This is utterly ridiculous, and refuted by the two Bruno Marchal.
2) If "he" means the man currently experiencing Helsinki then "he"
will experience nothing because nobody will be experiencing
Helsinki in the future..
This would change the notion of personal identity on which we have
already agree for those thought experience.
3) If "he" means the man who remembers being the Helsinki man and
now is experiencing Moscow then then "he" will see Moscow.
So the guy who remember Helsinki knows that his prediction "W & M"
has been refuted.
4) If "he" means the man who remembers being the Helsinki man and
now is experiencing Washington then then "he" will see Washington..
So the other guy who remember Helsinki knows that his prediction "W
& M" has been refuted.
So Bruno, which one of these does "he" mean?
First case, in the 1-you sense, about the 1-you sense.
OK by "he" Bruno Marchal means the first case, the one Bruno Marchal
called "utterly ridiculous". But how could meaning 3 and 4 refute
anything if that is not what Bruno Marchal meant by "he"?
No, it is the first case, but in the 1-views, and both feel to be
unique, and in Helsinki, that was predictible with probability one.
When you say "he" will experience Moscow AND Washington, there is an
ambiguity, as you forget to make precise if you ask if some person
will experience Moscow AND Washington simultaneously as a person, or
in parallel?
So the answer is case "1)", with the precision added that we asks
about its possible experience. And in that case, as I say, we have
P("I see only one city") = 1.
Bruno
John K Clark
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