2015-10-13 12:43 GMT+02:00 Bruce Kellett <[email protected]>:
> On 13/10/2015 7:57 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > On 13 October 2015 at 11:48, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> On 13/10/2015 9:46 am, Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> The double-slit experiment is evidence of platonic computation being >>> responsible for our consciousness, along with many other properties seen in >>> physics. >>> >> Come again? How on earth do you make that out? The double slit experiment >> is evidence for quantum superpositions of waves and/or particles. Nothing >> to do with consciousness. As for the rest of physics?????? >> >> The theory has survived numerous tests, without being disproven, which is >>> all we can hope for as evidence for any theory. >>> >> >> Quantum mechanics is a well-tested theory. Computationalism is not. >> Computationalism can't even get the basic physics right, much less explain >> how the universe came to exist long before consciousness emerged. > > > Computationalism is the theory that a computer could simulate not only the > brain's behaviour, but also consciousness. It is possible that the brain > utilises non-computable physics, in which case computationalism would be > false. Is that what you believe? > > > You present a false dichotomy. The brain might well be Turing emulable, > and computationalism false. That would be the case if matter is primary and > arithmetic merely a formal game. > > Then it's not computationalism... but materialism, as computation is not a material notion... You have to say then that computation is just an abstract representation of the real thing (aka matter doing thing looking at if it was a computation)... then you is not "just" a computation... "you" is matter which behaves like a computation. Matter as primary entity is thus needed... and the brain would not be turing emulable per se. Also I wonder how you could justify with such theory the equivalence between two computations... if not by using abstract computation theory to justify it... Quentin > Bruce > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
